Title, I'm a leftist but after reading some things on lemmygrad and here it seems I might have been lied to all my life. I have talked with some people from Cuba and Venezuela (expats) that support the west narrative about poverty and mismanagement. I "believe" that Russia is attacking Ukraine for selfish reasons and that China censors access to foreign information using the Great Firewall, please prove me wrong. Furthermore, it ultimately depends who do you want to believe or there are hard facts from reputable sources that are simply a hidden by the mass media?

EDIT: Thanks everyone for your very civil responses. I'll answer as many as I can!

  • marderbot [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    I understand that if a company doesn't comply with reasonable regulations they can/should be banned. However, I'm not sure if asking for the algorithms is reasonable due to it being part of their competitive advantage (or so they would say).

    I don't see the need of domestic social media, why not a global one? Why do you need a sovereign internet? If FB and other companies brain rot with lies, why can't other parties show the truth?

      • marderbot [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        I don't think nationalism is good, taken to the extreme you will only care about your closest family and see everyone one else as enemies.

          • marderbot [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Every country should set up domestic sites to protect themselves from US surveillance.

            I extrapolated from this, if what you want is non-US, why not create a neutral one insted of a hundred per-nation ones?

                • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Philosophically speaking, there appears to be an objective, consistent world, but any individual only has their perspective on it and fundamentally cannot escape having just their perspective. There is no such thing as neutrality or objectivity in people short of, perhaps, formalized a-priori systems like mathematics.

    • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      The marketplace of ideas is fake. Debate doesn't work. People either leave on the side they came in with or go with the side they hear the most. Letting cognitohazards just float about consumes the time of good people to fight, and the brains of everyone else to consider. There is no upside to having garbage everywhere.

        • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Are you asking me if it is fascism to not waste time hearing out fascists?

          • marderbot [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Debate doesn’t work. People either leave on the side they came in with or go with the side they hear the most.

            That sounds like “don’t think and don’t hear anyone else”

            • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              You are aware you can evaluate ideas in ways other than watching two nerds be wrong at each other?

    • Tommasi [she/her, pup/pup's]
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      1 year ago

      I don’t see the need of domestic social media, why not a global one?

      People have mentioned restricting western ideology and propaganda, but imo the more important reason for this is money. The PRC doesn't want all the potential money in tech and social media to fly across the globe to California. "Global" social media are nearly exclusively based in the US.

    • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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      1 year ago

      Why should anyone in the left sympathize with American companies' competitive advantages?