Title, I'm a leftist but after reading some things on lemmygrad and here it seems I might have been lied to all my life. I have talked with some people from Cuba and Venezuela (expats) that support the west narrative about poverty and mismanagement. I "believe" that Russia is attacking Ukraine for selfish reasons and that China censors access to foreign information using the Great Firewall, please prove me wrong. Furthermore, it ultimately depends who do you want to believe or there are hard facts from reputable sources that are simply a hidden by the mass media?

EDIT: Thanks everyone for your very civil responses. I'll answer as many as I can!

  • marderbot [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    I know and I'm against US sponsored coups and colour revolutions and I know the US isn't any saint. I also sure that China knows how to defend itself, however, is it defending it's people? or it's simply something similar to the US but in other part of the world?

    their own internet with blackjack and hookers is working out pretty well for them

    Love the Futurama reference, however, what would be "working out pretty well"? What are we measuring?

    • Vampire [any]
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      1 year ago

      I know the US isn’t any saint.

      This is the Westoid narrative: the US isn't perfect.

      "Sure we toppled 20 democracies, backed 100 dictators, exterminated 30% of the population of North Korea, backed famines in Yemen, North Korea, Iran, supported war crimes in Israel, lock people in prison for profit, exterminated the Indians and Africans... but look, nobody is perfect, we're not angels. You have to overlook these little foibles, otherwise you'll get a regime like China, who do truly unforgivable, evil things like the Firewall".

    • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      I'm gonna go straight for your last point and address the "working out pretty well" bit - there's a really good Yellow Parenti clip (if you're a new lefty yellow parenti is a series of lectures from a famous and extremely rad Marxist academic named Michael Parenti) that talks about judging Marxist revolutions against why things aren't perfect the day after the revolution. Essentially, things like this take time and they're going to be messy.

      China has a lot of reasons for implementing their Great Firewall: Outside propaganda attacks from adversaries, domestic capital-holders desiring to increase access to capitalist propaganda to steer state policy in a more capital friendly direction, radicalized individuals becoming more so because of maliciously crafted outside media, etc. Parenti's addressing this is "civil liberties for the fascists", which is a bit reductive, but "unfettered global access for everyone" falls in the same bucket: it's not something China is obligated to provide if it would adversely impact their ultimate goals of bringing quality of life to their people and increasing the dominance of socialism over capitalism.

      Would it be nice? Yeah totally, I wish they could have what we do information-access wise. But the Chinese state believes that it would detrimentally impact their socialist project and I'm personally inclined to agree but they probably know their people better than I do anyways. Bringing it back to "working out pretty well", all we can judge them against is how well their socialist project is doing as a whole, and while there are a number of issues ranging from mild to serious, they have overseen a raise in life expectancy, literacy, health, education, access to quality medical care, and access to healthy nutrition that is basically unrivaled except by other socialist projects. Trying to judge this one policy in a vacuum would be hard even for native Chinese citizens, all I'm personally inclined to weigh in on is to say "Well, it looks like their chud brainworms per capita are a lot lower than ours so I guess it's going alright".

      • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Thanks for putting in the effort I was too lazy to, I appreciate it :order-of-lenin:

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      or it’s simply something similar to the US but in other part of the world?

      How many of the past 30 years has China spent at war?