Kinda disingenuous to focus on what happened to the tank man specifically, when they're symbols of the whole event which is called a massacre for a reason. Protestors were killed en masse and information suppressed, it's not like the tanks were there for fun.
This video was taken on June 5th, the day after the incident, as the tanks were leaving the square.
I recently looked at some resources that you might find interesting. I reposted them with CWs here: https://lemmy.ml/comment/476526
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Most of the claims about "information suppressed" pivot on the notion that the fanciful stories told by some of the student leadership, some western reporters, etc. was accurate, e.g. "China is suppressing that 10,000 students died in the square." No, they are suppressing misinformation that such a thing happened, as they should. False testimony is rarely a public good.
CW that, this isn't a shock board. 2) Disemboweling? I've never seen pictures or testimony of that, not that I have exhaustive knowledge. Technically, I think corpses were strung up but no one was lynched (i.e. summarily executed by hanging), it was all immolation and maybe gunfire via stolen weapons.
you can find pictures of disembowled and hung corpses if you want to look for them. not sure if the order of what happened matters all that much to the context of what was happening. also there were scores of people who were suddenly seen with english signs and supplies of gasoline who were the first to start committing beating and burning people to death, stealing weaponry and escalating the protests into violence.
I'm familiar with the hung and immolated corpses, my point was that hanging a corpse and lynching a living person are not the same thing and that I can't remember anything about disembowelment (and I've seen a handful of gory pictures of what was done to soldiers). I have looked, too.
Anyway, we're on the same side, and don't forget the fucking statue of liberty pastiche that got erected in the square for a time, or that random students probably wouldn't have access enough to petrol (a somewhat sparse commodity at the time) to use it as weaponry. Lots of very interesting interviews too, in the link I posted to the same comment you first responded to.
id need to take a look again ive seen a couple western sources report even disembowled soldiers but i fucking hate looking at this stuff :vivian-shrug:
There were several factions in open rebellion around the city, and exchanges of fire within the city from organized armed militia and the PLA, but in the square itself the wasn't much active fighting beyond regular protest violence.
The tanks were leaving the square, but there was still fighting going on. Who knows exactly what he was saying, but he stopped tanks from leaving the square and talked to the drivers, then was moved out of the road by civilians on bikes.
What we know for sure is that the tanks did not run him over, they spoke calmly with him when he climbed up to the hatch, and he was taken away by civilians.
We also know that he clearly lived in the area (carrying bags of groceries) had likely been seeing the fighting the previous days and also seen the PLA come in with tanks. He clearly felt safe enough with the tanks nearby to go out and get groceries, and is now, with the groceries he just purchased, speaking with the tank drivers as they leave the square.
If you take this video at face value, it seems like an instance of someone actually asking them to stay because it would mean militia forces would be less likely to start conflict near his home.
Kinda disingenuous to focus on what happened to the tank man specifically, when they're symbols of the whole event which is called a massacre for a reason. Protestors were killed en masse and information suppressed, it's not like the tanks were there for fun.
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This video was taken on June 5th, the day after the incident, as the tanks were leaving the square.
I recently looked at some resources that you might find interesting. I reposted them with CWs here: https://lemmy.ml/comment/476526
Take the content warnings seriously, of course.
Most of the claims about "information suppressed" pivot on the notion that the fanciful stories told by some of the student leadership, some western reporters, etc. was accurate, e.g. "China is suppressing that 10,000 students died in the square." No, they are suppressing misinformation that such a thing happened, as they should. False testimony is rarely a public good.
:what:
protestor massacre is a generous way to frame what was ostensibly a uprising where rioters were lynching burning alive and disembowling soldiers.
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you can find pictures of disembowled and hung corpses if you want to look for them. not sure if the order of what happened matters all that much to the context of what was happening. also there were scores of people who were suddenly seen with english signs and supplies of gasoline who were the first to start committing beating and burning people to death, stealing weaponry and escalating the protests into violence.
I'm familiar with the hung and immolated corpses, my point was that hanging a corpse and lynching a living person are not the same thing and that I can't remember anything about disembowelment (and I've seen a handful of gory pictures of what was done to soldiers). I have looked, too.
Anyway, we're on the same side, and don't forget the fucking statue of liberty pastiche that got erected in the square for a time, or that random students probably wouldn't have access enough to petrol (a somewhat sparse commodity at the time) to use it as weaponry. Lots of very interesting interviews too, in the link I posted to the same comment you first responded to.
id need to take a look again ive seen a couple western sources report even disembowled soldiers but i fucking hate looking at this stuff :vivian-shrug:
100% fair
There were several factions in open rebellion around the city, and exchanges of fire within the city from organized armed militia and the PLA, but in the square itself the wasn't much active fighting beyond regular protest violence.
The tanks were leaving the square, but there was still fighting going on. Who knows exactly what he was saying, but he stopped tanks from leaving the square and talked to the drivers, then was moved out of the road by civilians on bikes.
What we know for sure is that the tanks did not run him over, they spoke calmly with him when he climbed up to the hatch, and he was taken away by civilians.
We also know that he clearly lived in the area (carrying bags of groceries) had likely been seeing the fighting the previous days and also seen the PLA come in with tanks. He clearly felt safe enough with the tanks nearby to go out and get groceries, and is now, with the groceries he just purchased, speaking with the tank drivers as they leave the square.
If you take this video at face value, it seems like an instance of someone actually asking them to stay because it would mean militia forces would be less likely to start conflict near his home.