Italy has already elected a far right government that endorses fascist rallies
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/10/italy-s-government-under-fire-from-opposition-after-fascist-rally-in-rome_6420540_4.html
AfD is making record gains in Germany
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-far-right-makes-strong-gains-eu-vote-despite-scandals-2024-06-09/
National Rally are poised to win elections in France
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-69102843
The eurosceptic party nonetheless won a record 16.2% of the vote ... Just a week before the election, a policeman was stabbed and killed at an anti-Islam rally by an Afghan man who was not living legally in Germany, an incident which shocked Germany and could have boosted the showing for the anti-migration AfD.
what is this bullshit journalism? AfD's been polling 16-22% for the past year and they're trying to pin it on something a random immigrant did last week?
Because they don’t want to deal with the fact that by allowing the afd to stoke Islamophobia for years they created the problem them selves fuck Europe this place is a fucking shit hole
I love the spelling “eurosceptic” because I always intuitively pronounce is as “Europe septic”
16% AfD is more than concerning, but I have already made peace with the fact that they are going to make it past 20% on the national level at some point. CDU/CSU + AfD as a junior partner in a coalition is a possibility. I'm not saying it's 100% going to happen, but I consider it at least possible.
European left shat the bed by aligning with warmongering libs. This left the right as the only parties to have a consistent anti-war position from the start. Now the right is massively capitalizing on the public opinion souring on the war.
Hexbears have been predicting this as the eventual outcome for 2 years now.
I recall libs ridiculing me when I predicted this would happen, but yeah anybody with a clue knew this was inevitable.
More of a german/french phenomenon than broadly european (though maybe france and germany are the only countries that really matter honestly), in most EU countries the further right wing parties are also pro-war, and here in portugal where the communist party has been consistently anti-war, moreso than dem soc Left Block, including opposing arms shipments to ukraine even, we just get consistently attacked and mischaracterized in the media and I can't say we've made electoral gains from taking a principled anti-nato position, maybe we will in the long run but not yet, it has definitely cost us votes.
Public opinion on the war hasn't soured that much here (fucking portuguese provincialism wanting to be "close to europe"), and even where it has a lot of people are still unwilling to go along with us when we call for something like a political solution.
I think the fact that France and Germany play such a dominant role in Europe is precisely why this is such a big problem.
The only meaningfully anti war Social Democratic Party in my country got like 3% of the vote.
The european left has shat the bed decades ago when they turned from social democrats to neoliberal ghouls. Nobody actually cares about the Ukraine.
AfD polls (blue line) have been decreasing the past 6 months, no real of way of knowing how it goes going forward
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considering spinelessness of spd, cdu will go with spd/greens nationally (locally cdu/afd likely will happen tho)
none of this matters
India, Pakistan or China alone, nevermind altogether, have enough nukes to end all of Europe, and all three are reeling from climate change (also caused by Europe)
the way things are going the tech will be shared even further with other 3rd world nations, providing a totally indefensible platter of strike sources (current peak of US tech can't even shoot down nukes with a 50% success rate from a known location, and decoys aren't even used in simulations)
the world will live in the north either peacefully or through massacring 95% of their population first with a bit of much needed nuclear-winter-induced global cooling on the side
While I agree that it doesn't impact most of the world, would you at least spare some sympathy for minorities living in the imperial core, which I am one of? I'm not looking forward to battling the Freikorps in the streets.
lol I'm one of them
just find others and practice your paintballin' skills innawoods together. who tf cares about sympathy
Ah I guess it really is socialism or barbarism this time. Good luck to everyone who resists.
I agree that globally this likely won't have much of an impact. Europe is a tiny percentage of the world population, and BRICS is already a bigger economy than the G7. I think this will mostly be a tragedy for people of Europe.
I doubt any country in this era would dare to use nuclear weapons because Europe has enough nukes to end all of those countries as well. Economic warfare and traditional warfare is more likely than an apocalyptic event that would end a very large chunk of human life on earth.
because Europe has enough nukes to end all of those countries as well.
those countries are ending anyway so not an argument
Economic warfare and traditional warfare
the economics of half your continent turning into an oven
the leaders basically all know this and that's why they've tacitly agreed to let a bunch of 3rd world people in. And why Modi and Xi are content to let 10 guys brawl it out in Ladakh instead of doing anything real
Still, what leader is willing to publicly kill 95% of their population in a day so a small, random minority can live in the North. This type of war is a lose-lose situation for all parties.
While nuclear winter is worse for the Northern hemisphere, we would be seeing 16C air temperature changes, which is significantly worse than the 3-4C of expected climate change.
Still, what leader is willing to publicly kill 95% of their population in a day so a small, random minority can live in the North.
Basically any leader elected by hundreds of millions of angry 3rd world people, lol (hot weather also makes people even angrier, scientifically confirmed)
This type of war is a lose-lose situation for all parties
It is not. They were going to lose anyway
how bad to have to fuck the dog to have worse political prospects than the usa
Yeah but they're against the ukraine war so they can't be fascist (or so i read in a different thread).
Here's hoping Russia doesn't stop at Berlin this time then 😉
Sadly, Russia isn't substantially different at this point. But at least they're not openly embracing fascism, so that's something I guess.
I wish we lived in the world that Libs seem to think we live in, where Russia is secretly funding every group that opposes current-flavor-neoliberalism. That way, we might accidentally get a shot at a better world, but instead we just get fascism or fascism-lite
It's funny how these people love to externalize their problems. They're unable to do any self reflection because that would force them to grapple with the fact that it's their policies that created this situation, so it has to be nefarious external actors like Russia and China subverting their beautiful democracy. The jungle invading the perfect garden they built.
"The Euroid brainpan makes them innately prone to fascism"
Now that we’re out of the tragedy phase and into the farce phase, I am hoping there is a bald, charismatic Russian who will lead a communist revolution in his country and fight back against Europe
One important detail is that in most countries the far right is the only option if you are against escalating with Russia. Most people in Western Europe are in favor of a peace treaty, and peace was the biggest issue for German voters.
I think part of this shift can be explained by the fact that people are not jumping at the prospect of being send into the meat grinder after the Ukrainians are depleted.
I think so as well, this show that the left in Europe is effectively dead except for a few outliers like Slovakia.
Arm up, arm up, arm up. I know it's the origin continent of caucasity, and in such cases, in some countries, you might not be able to get your hands on guns, but get your hands on somethin'. If you ain't got a weapon, pick up a rock idk
oh no not openly being facist, it's so much better to be secretly and successfully facist like the us. at least european facists had the decency to lose
I think it'll be good for the rest of the world to see what the west is all about without any pretences
