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  • booty [he/him]
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    And if that’s the philosophy, then the policies they push will all be ones that prevent sex workers from making an income, which means you are not really pro-sex workers either. Maybe pro-humans in general but not pro-letting them do what they want in order to make money. You essentially force them to turn to an alternative they prefer less because you consider their work to be not-work.

    What part of this argument cannot be applied to other forms of extremely exploitative work, like, say, child labor? I'm anti child labor but that doesn't mean I hate children and want them to starve. I reject the idea that they should have to make money to support themselves in the first place. I want a dismantling of the entire concept of child labor. Same thing with (some kinds of) sex work. Like, someone doing onlyfans or something similar is basically fine, that's pretty much a different topic entirely. But human trafficking victims working in, say, one of those "massage parlors" are sex workers, and I want their work to no longer exist as soon as possible. Does that make me anti sex-worker? Because if so then yeah I am, proudly. No one on this planet should be doing that work, the entire category of labor in which that exists should be eradicated. I don't see how that can be controversial in a leftist space.

    Edit: Like I take serious issue with the framing that people who are against these kinds of work are against it because it's "not work." The problem isn't that it's not work, the problem is what the work actually entails.

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      Same thing with (some kinds of) sex work.

      This issue of language that you are encountering is a problem with pro-john rhetoric (like that of our comrade's here) that drives me crazy. They treat "prostitute" like a slur and correct it to "sex worker" when "sex worker" is orders of magnitude broader, encompassing work that goes across the entire legal spectrum and varying wildly in things like safety. "Prostitute" is not a slur, and in fact is quite a necessary word unless you want to resort to absurdities like "lady of the night" to refer to it.

      Anyway, your argument is fair but I think it would be easier to use migrant labor as an example so that you don't get bad-faith objections about "infantilizing women" by comparing it to child labor.

      • booty [he/him]
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        Anyway, your argument is fair but I think it would be easier to use migrant labor as an example so that you don't get bad-faith objections about "infantilizing women" by comparing it to child labor.

        Good point, that is a much better example. As a guy (who believe it or not doesn't even watch porn) I try my best to stay out of this sort of discussion as much as possible, because it almost couldn't be further from something that affects me. So I haven't thoroughly thought through my arguments.