Everything is blocky and sharp and weird. I want the old comfy hexbear 
The upbear is too close to the link button and I keep loading comments instead of turning the bear yellow.
I just learned I could use the bear and not the arrow, thank you
Welcome! Petting the bear is the comradely way to show support. Arrows are bourgeois stonks decadence.
@Koa_lala@hexbear.net did incredible work with our previous design, some of which has since even made it into default Lemmy! i miss that customization, I’m also incredibly excited about everything this update brings to the table for our site.
No, me too. I haven’t found a single community/site on Lemmy that I think is worthy any trouble. Even Lemmygrad, a handful of extremely online weirdos like us, is filled with anti-anarchist and anti-sex work brainworms and I don’t want to interact with them.
Dunking on Libs? They will just ban us like they did the Grad. There’s no purpose to this move except to make the job of our devs easier, which is acceptable of course, but still makes the site shittier.
It's fine we will just ban people that don't behave well here and they can be suitably ignored. We will even be able to see that they're not from here so outsider behaviour won't reflect on the average Hexbear. Mod team will have to step up but I don't think there'll be huge issues. If anything the occasional dissenter will generate much more conversation that people can learn marxist things from.
anti-sex work brainworms
I don't want to start a struggle session but I don't think the people there are anti-prostitute or want to criminalize prostitution in any fashion. I imagine they are very anti-pimp and anti-poverty (i.e., they oppose the condition that forces so many women to sell their bodies), but that's not remotely the same thing.
At least on GZD, you would see one or two people say something shitty, but then they'd be rightfully dog piled.
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ik, ik,
I don't want to start a struggle session but
I just deeply despise radlib whitewashing of the suffering experienced by what is overwhelmingly the lumpenproletariat. Johns are not allies.
Yeah I mean there are a couple different things going on here. Many people use "anti sex work" to mean "anti sex-worker" which is just kinda wrong and shitty. And "sex work" is an absurdly broad topic. I'm definitely anti some kinds of sex work while fully supporting basically all sex workers.
Agreed on not wanting to start a struggle session so maybe we should take this to the DMs.
I’m putting it under spoilers so people don’t have to see it if they don’t want to. This became a way too long rant that isn’t even directed to you cuz I know you’re a comrade who doesn’t want bad things to happen to sex workers. Just consider it a criticism of the ideology, not an attack on you or any individual.
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I agree that people (mostly women) being forced into it by economic necessity is a failure of capitalism and is wrong.
But I don’t understand how you can be pro-sex work and anti the ability to perform it. Pimps, I get. They are a parasite like any other manager/boss. But “johns” i.e. people who pay (if I’m understanding it correctly) are necessary for their to be any sex work at all. You can’t have the work if there is no one to pay, right?
So, the argument is just “we are anti sex work but don’t think sex workers are spawns of Satan here to corrupt innocent husbands like the Christians do.”
And if that’s the philosophy, then the policies they push will all be ones that prevent sex workers from making an income, which means you are not really pro-sex workers either. Maybe pro-humans in general but not pro-letting them do what they want in order to make money. You essentially force them to turn to an alternative they prefer less because you consider their work to be not-work.
Contrast this with most pro-sex work policies which all aim to actually address the problems that sex workers bring up - from decriminalisation to safety (from shitty/dangerous clients and cops), to testing, proper work benefits (like other jobs) etc etc.
Some anti-sex work types say they support these policies but let’s be honest here. If you’re actually anti-sex work then you can’t support policies that entrench, strength, and improve the industry. Your “support” is temporary or illusory. You want to, maybe not immediately, but definitely as soon as possible, prevent anyone from being able to do sex work.
And that will literally not happen under capitalism. Sex work may stop under socialism/communism but definitely not under the current system, where the only way to actually stop it, would be increased enforcement via police which will worsen the lives of sex workers in countless ways. Under capitalism, especially neoliberal capitalism, you are not gonna get any other policy for anti-sex work measures. It’s like thinking banning abortion will stop all abortions. No, it’ll just drive it even more underground and make it more dangerous.
The only “acceptable” form of anti-sex work advocates are those that say “yeah, we’ll help pro-sex work people get the policies they want to help sex workers, but we know that under communism there will be no sex work because everyone’s needs will be met and there will be no money.”
Which. Yeah. Agreed.
more sex work discourse
I think there's an important question about what being "anti" something means. If you're an abolitionist, it means something like: eliminate the conditions that create prostitutes, seek to remedy harm between Johns and the women they solicit, and run education campaigns against soliciting sex.
For a carceral socialist (like a lot of MLs, especially pre BLM), being anti a thing means banning it and enforcing that ban through fines, sweeps, and arrests.
These are very different propositions and it's important to figure out where people are at when they say they're "anti sex work"
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And if that’s the philosophy, then the policies they push will all be ones that prevent sex workers from making an income, which means you are not really pro-sex workers either. Maybe pro-humans in general but not pro-letting them do what they want in order to make money. You essentially force them to turn to an alternative they prefer less because you consider their work to be not-work.
What part of this argument cannot be applied to other forms of extremely exploitative work, like, say, child labor? I'm anti child labor but that doesn't mean I hate children and want them to starve. I reject the idea that they should have to make money to support themselves in the first place. I want a dismantling of the entire concept of child labor. Same thing with (some kinds of) sex work. Like, someone doing onlyfans or something similar is basically fine, that's pretty much a different topic entirely. But human trafficking victims working in, say, one of those "massage parlors" are sex workers, and I want their work to no longer exist as soon as possible. Does that make me anti sex-worker? Because if so then yeah I am, proudly. No one on this planet should be doing that work, the entire category of labor in which that exists should be eradicated. I don't see how that can be controversial in a leftist space.
Edit: Like I take serious issue with the framing that people who are against these kinds of work are against it because it's "not work." The problem isn't that it's not work, the problem is what the work actually entails.
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Same thing with (some kinds of) sex work.
This issue of language that you are encountering is a problem with pro-john rhetoric (like that of our comrade's here) that drives me crazy. They treat "prostitute" like a slur and correct it to "sex worker" when "sex worker" is orders of magnitude broader, encompassing work that goes across the entire legal spectrum and varying wildly in things like safety. "Prostitute" is not a slur, and in fact is quite a necessary word unless you want to resort to absurdities like "lady of the night" to refer to it.
Anyway, your argument is fair but I think it would be easier to use migrant labor as an example so that you don't get bad-faith objections about "infantilizing women" by comparing it to child labor.
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Anyway, your argument is fair but I think it would be easier to use migrant labor as an example so that you don't get bad-faith objections about "infantilizing women" by comparing it to child labor.
Good point, that is a much better example. As a guy (who believe it or not doesn't even watch porn) I try my best to stay out of this sort of discussion as much as possible, because it almost couldn't be further from something that affects me. So I haven't thoroughly thought through my arguments.
Even Lemmygrad, a handful of extremely online weirdos like us, is filled with anti-anarchist and anti-sex work brainworms and I don’t want to interact with them.
We outnumber them and are also far more active than them. If anything, they're the ones who should be afraid, not us. Bad things will happen to their instance if they try to brigade us and harsh our vibe.
Most instances have a "local" toggle between "subscribed" and "all." Just picking "local" would be the equivalent of what picking "all" is right now. You could also just subscribe to all the Hexbear comms and pick "subscribed."
I think federation is good if you use the Internet for hobbies. So you want to follow gaming news, you could subscribe to the games comm of Hexbear, lemmygrad, lemmy, and other instance and have a subscribed front feed of gaming news from instances that Hexbear federates with . You could already do this with RSS feeds, but it would be a massive hassle to micromanage 10 accounts for 10 different instances if you want to actually comment instead of just reading comments.
Lemmy's Advocate: Federation could be useful with instances which don't exist yet.
REAL, the other instances are cringe (I mean we are kinda cringe to but thats okay)
Hexbear is an unusually nice place on the internet where people don't want to debate and be mad. I think half of that is because we have no downvote button. Anyway, that's the most important thing about hexbear to me: no debate bros.
We’ve definitely had plenty of struggle sessions. Some have even been my fault! But yes, this place is not Twitter.
Agreed about the sharp angles, it’s offputting. Also loading by Active brings posts from way too long ago (most of my page is from like 2 days ago) but Hot is basically just New
I like the in line images a lot tho
Hexbear customized Active super early into its existence, because the old Active algorithm was selectively pulling multi-day struggle sessions to the top.
I hope they put that one back.
It'll probably be at least partially reconstructed, but was correctly not prioritized over getting things working with lemmygrad
Hot take: This redesign sucks, but the old design was just as bad :centrist:
The best UI is the UI you're most used to. "Good UI" is snake oil peddled by UI/UX designers who continuously redesign shit by chasing trends they came up with in order to show that they're doing something and not get fired.
I think you're 90 percent correct, but there is definitely some really bad UI out there.
I think the only redesign I've wholeheartedly supported is TASVideos' overhaul, and it's because they made it more aesthetically pleasing AND more functional without fundamentally changing where things are or reducing information density. As you say, most redesigns are just mindless keeping up with the Joneses corporate BS or (even worse) hellish ways to force more ads and eNgAgEmEnT on users, whereas this redesign came out of a community need without profit motive.
Every internet sucks because it was made by capitalism not stalin
All UI re-designs are bad. There are no exceptions. Firefox i'm glaring in your direction.
I like the pfps and being able to put images in comments for sure, but I miss everything else, especially the font?
I profoundly dislike the images in comments. Scrolling down and finding an animu picture covering the whole screen is jarring.
If they had like a 64x64px preview that you could open if you wanted to thatd be fine but having like 1080p gifs pop up is too much. And some wrecker is going to use it to post something horrible sooner or later.
I agree about the preview, you should have to opt in before someone can consume a ton of your data like that. Make it the size of an emote.
Oh I didn't even think about that. Yeah, it'll add up over the month if people are spamming giant gifs.
tbf most of them aren't even that big data wise, like that one above was like 200kB. they just render huge, which will be addressed when the devs aren't fried from working all weekend to get this thing fast and stable (knock on wood)
I might open an issue or try to throw together a PR to just have the inline images be a user setting. They're just rendered markdown.
I think the only issue is that emotes are now being handled through markdown and pictrs so there'd have to be a way to limit that.
Also inline images is a big no no. Spamming posts is one thing, but now a malicious user could spam terrible images in comment chains that take up your full screen and can't be NSFW filtered.
There is some unique risks to allowing inline images, yeah. but I'm deferring to the people with moderation experience on this one. if they want it gone it will be gone.
and we already limit inline images to only whitelisted domains so it's definitely possible to filter things.
This will all be worked out in time, is been really cool seeing everyone so active again. It feels like the site is coming back to life a bit as we're figuring out all the new stuff. Also seems like we woke up some people with programming experience that can maybe help out which would be nice.
Probably not without integrating with some third party service. Though it could be exposed as a mod action and automated using a RESTful interface
Easily my least favorite change. Everything else I can see myself getting used to.
Sadly it is necessary right now for emotes. Our old system would break federation so we had to switch to using pictrs instead of our custom renderer. Basically all emotes are now just online images that are made to be small.
@layla@hexbear.net and @PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net's original proposal was to have a new database entry for emotes, but Dessalines and Nutomic preferred to use the pictrs solution created by @makotech222@hexbear.net.
Not sure if there will be a way to filter the inline functionality from the emote functionality though. You'll have to ask one of those devs.
We have a nice hook for images that are inline but not emojis, so we just need to decide what we want to do.
So there's a way for the emotes to be separated from inline images without just looking at the markdown formatting? That's good.
In that case couldn't the images just be switched from rendered to rendered as a link (e.g. inline image) pretty easily. That would also make having a user setting toggle pretty easy right? Just choose how you want to render them.
Yeah we'll think of a proper way to handle em. linkifying them is a good idea though, as an option.
Thanks for all your hard work by the way, been reading through all your PRs and discussions on GitHub and you've done fantastic.
redesign
the problem is that we actively went backwards to the "old design", because this is what lemmy is like
hopefully our beautiful nerds who we love can help make lemmy actually look good via the main project and we can return to our former glory
also, at least our posts actually use the full page width - some other instances have a set width which leaves like 45% of the page blank and it's ugly as fuck
Some people have opened PRs with the intent of making themes easier, so there is hope.
Basically all of the complaints are superficial things that can be resolved with css.
I like it but miss that purple and blue style, I think it was called "deep"
I don't mind most of the changes, but I would like Create Post to go back to being a big colorful button instead of practically blending into the background.
Create post and the inbox notification bell should both be more prominent than they are. We have a lot of gripes with lemmy's UX, but all of mako's hard work deserved to see the light of day
