You're probably right. One of them was just a guy who dedicated his life to researching the titanic, and hence works for the company that owns the wreck. I think we'll be safe from him at least.
The guy who is the vice-chair of a petrochemical company is befit of a tho. He'll be immediately replaced. Hope his teenage son isn't too bothered with the unexpected early death of his father.
The Titanic guy was a navy officer that now works for a company that has privatized something of historical interest but yeah he probably deserves it the least.
I see what you mean but these people should have died long ago or never existed as they do in the first place. Where they got to was paved with skulls and human suffering, its okay they die.
I'm not torn up about it lol, all I said was that I feel for the kids who had their dads die. That's not a political statement. It has no meaning apart from "my first thought was that it's sad for their families". Maybe I didn't communicate that well, seeing the responses.
Here is my political opinion which is probably in line with 99% of the people on this site: "lol, lmao even." Individuals don't make history nor a system of oppression and this doesn't change anything, but it is funny.
woke neoliberals: "Margaret Thatcher is right! There is no such thing as society, there are only individuals and families...noooo you can't call me a 'class traitor' simply because I obscure bourgeois dictatorship"
You're showing empathy for people who don't have empathy, or people related to people who don't have empathy.
And you know that's great. Very mature of you. So let's all forget the immense and very purposeful suffering many of us are under every single day so we can mourn a few dead assholes who put us here in the first place because their families might be sad.
I don't wanna mourn them, but your comment was helpful. Now I get it — people have a feeling of Schadenfreude because they transfer their pain onto these people, since they are part of the class that sustains the oppression.
Personally I just thought it was funny that rich people died aboard a nautical vessel next to the wreck of a nautical vessel on which, famously, rich people died.
Wdym? It's 4 guys. They aren't the people that sustain the oppression, they're part of that class. Global communism won't be established the moment their life support runs out (but , you know, )
I'll chime in and say that I do get where you're coming from. I've come around to a philosophy of - if not universal love - then some measure of universal compassion (easier to do when you don't really believe in free will). I used to get off way more on crab-party-bad-people-dead-schadenfreude stuff (and still have my moments from time to time) but I realized it didn't make sense for me or do me any good and also was kind of a sad & impotent vent for my own powerlessness. That said I also believe in protecting yourself in a world full of harmful people and I don't believe in expending unnecessary emotional bandwidth for people who actively make the world worse if it costs you any amount of excess mental or emotional energy, because yeah oppression bad, capitalists (especially billionaires) bad, certain people would need to be sent back into the universe (if u catch my drift) who are too dangerous to keep around in a revolutionary scenario (something I see as an unfortunate - even tragic - reality rather than something to get off on).
I guess tl:dr is its fine (maybe even good) to feel a certain baseline empathy for these ppl, but its also fine to indulge the schadenfreude if that's where you're at. Also there's a certain undeniable gallows Loony Tunes comedy to the specific way they got got, hard to argue with that simply objectively.
That's all my comment was, saying that my first emotional reaction to the news was empathy. Ig my bad for not expounding all of my thoughts on the topic (which you did do, and thanks for taking the time), which left some people to fill in the blanks. For example, I didn't mention my second emotional response, which was "LMAO"
Ya I getchu homie, & my pleasure. Chachat is better than most social media but it can still be hard to explore nuance or contradiction in internet discourses and there's a certain amount of kneejerk debate mentality baked into this whole internet thing we've got goin that can be hard to shake.
Sometimes I feel like the discourse around people dying is a little too callous. If we're talking about Kissinger or something then yeah, fuck that guy and I hope he dies. I can even see the humor in this submarine situation, paying all that money to die in the world's sketchiest sub. Pretty ridiculous and easy to see coming.
I do kinda feel like people get caught up in the moment and start posting without really thinking about it. I'm as guilty as anyone of this. I'd feel pretty lousy if I were one of these guys kids or something though. In the grand scheme of things, losing people like this isn't anywhere near as sad as so, so much of what else is happening in the world. Just wonder if celebrating death to a certain extent is unhealthy though.
I mean they had families and loved ones. As a human you feel for them. This does not relate to my political opinions
Stg if I get called a lib because I said people dying is sad for their families
Hitler had a family, but that doesn't mean I can't be happy about the death of a tyrant.
Yeah, a guy who rents out a submarine is just like Hitler
How exactly do you think billionaires get their money?
Irrelevant to what I said.
I get what you're saying, but they would not hesitate to use their status to bring in systemic violence that harms your loved ones and others
You're probably right. One of them was just a guy who dedicated his life to researching the titanic, and hence works for the company that owns the wreck. I think we'll be safe from him at least.
The guy who is the vice-chair of a petrochemical company is befit of a
tho. He'll be immediately replaced. Hope his teenage son isn't too bothered with the unexpected early death of his father.
The Titanic guy was a navy officer that now works for a company that has privatized something of historical interest but yeah he probably deserves it the least.
I see what you mean but these people should have died long ago or never existed as they do in the first place. Where they got to was paved with skulls and human suffering, its okay they die.
I'm not torn up about it lol, all I said was that I feel for the kids who had their dads die. That's not a political statement. It has no meaning apart from "my first thought was that it's sad for their families". Maybe I didn't communicate that well, seeing the responses.
Here is my political opinion which is probably in line with 99% of the people on this site: "lol, lmao even." Individuals don't make history nor a system of oppression and this doesn't change anything, but it is funny.
Feeling empathy for them doesn't make you a lib, only scolding people for joking about it would do that
woke neoliberals: "Margaret Thatcher is right! There is no such thing as society, there are only individuals and families...noooo you can't call me a 'class traitor' simply because I obscure bourgeois dictatorship"
Oh you make comments now too? Rad, looking forward to this
Do you think they cared about the families and loved ones of all the folks they exploited to get where they are?
Yeah, that's what I thought. But you have changed my mind, and gave me this world-shifting insight. I thank you, death to all submarines!
Am I really that unclear or are people trying to see things I didn't say
You're showing empathy for people who don't have empathy, or people related to people who don't have empathy.
And you know that's great. Very mature of you. So let's all forget the immense and very purposeful suffering many of us are under every single day so we can mourn a few dead assholes who put us here in the first place because their families might be sad.
I don't wanna mourn them, but your comment was helpful. Now I get it — people have a feeling of Schadenfreude because they transfer their pain onto these people, since they are part of the class that sustains the oppression.
Personally I just thought it was funny that rich people died aboard a nautical vessel next to the wreck of a nautical vessel on which, famously, rich people died.
Yep, that's basically it. They profit off of my suffering and the suffering of those I love. I'm happy to vent some of that pain back onto them.
We did it
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Empathy is automatic for many people and cannot simply be turned off, even if they are dealing with someone who doesn't deserve it.
Wdym? It's 4 guys. They aren't the people that sustain the oppression, they're part of that class. Global communism won't be established the moment their life support runs out (but , you know,
)
I'll chime in and say that I do get where you're coming from. I've come around to a philosophy of - if not universal love - then some measure of universal compassion (easier to do when you don't really believe in free will). I used to get off way more on crab-party-bad-people-dead-schadenfreude stuff (and still have my moments from time to time) but I realized it didn't make sense for me or do me any good and also was kind of a sad & impotent vent for my own powerlessness. That said I also believe in protecting yourself in a world full of harmful people and I don't believe in expending unnecessary emotional bandwidth for people who actively make the world worse if it costs you any amount of excess mental or emotional energy, because yeah oppression bad, capitalists (especially billionaires) bad, certain people would need to be sent back into the universe (if u catch my drift) who are too dangerous to keep around in a revolutionary scenario (something I see as an unfortunate - even tragic - reality rather than something to get off on).
I guess tl:dr is its fine (maybe even good) to feel a certain baseline empathy for these ppl, but its also fine to indulge the schadenfreude if that's where you're at. Also there's a certain undeniable gallows Loony Tunes comedy to the specific way they got got, hard to argue with that simply objectively.
That's all my comment was, saying that my first emotional reaction to the news was empathy. Ig my bad for not expounding all of my thoughts on the topic (which you did do, and thanks for taking the time), which left some people to fill in the blanks. For example, I didn't mention my second emotional response, which was "LMAO"
Ya I getchu homie, & my pleasure. Chachat is better than most social media but it can still be hard to explore nuance or contradiction in internet discourses and there's a certain amount of kneejerk debate mentality baked into this whole internet thing we've got goin that can be hard to shake.
Hamish Harding's stepson seems very concerned so far
my heart goes out to him
I heard one of them brought his 20 year old son on board which made me kind of sorry for his kid
its a sad day for the Hunter Biden Institute for Failsons
Sometimes I feel like the discourse around people dying is a little too callous. If we're talking about Kissinger or something then yeah, fuck that guy and I hope he dies. I can even see the humor in this submarine situation, paying all that money to die in the world's sketchiest sub. Pretty ridiculous and easy to see coming.
I do kinda feel like people get caught up in the moment and start posting without really thinking about it. I'm as guilty as anyone of this. I'd feel pretty lousy if I were one of these guys kids or something though. In the grand scheme of things, losing people like this isn't anywhere near as sad as so, so much of what else is happening in the world. Just wonder if celebrating death to a certain extent is unhealthy though.