From #OccupyWallStreet to #BlackLivesMatter to #MeToo, Twitter is now recognized as an important medium of progressive activism. But while hashtags may be the quickest way for anyone to tap into the turbulent and frenetic world of online social justice discourse, their record for building the sort of institutions that can build popular power is an unbroken pattern of defeat.
She is wrong though. Maybe it is this way in NYC, but in other places these campaigns did have an effect on getting the stories out so that police officers would be charged, changing local budgets, reforms on local hate crime laws, swelling the numbers of local organizations. I live in a deep red state and this stuff does have a material effect in my town. It just isn't the type of thing that ever gets covered by shows like chapo since lefty media is sort of its own social sphere and ends up primarily analyzing itself.
Babe, no she isn't. As @sifodeas states in another reply to you: The deep south has not improved. Occupy Wallstreet, while noble, did jack shit to improve material conditions. "WE ARE THE 99%!" is a catchy slogan, but that's all it is: A slogan. #MeToo only worked on Weinstein and a few other creeps (and some of them weren't as bad as Weinstein, but were still awful).
but in other places these campaigns did have an effect on getting the stories out so that police officers would be charged
...And how many of them have been convicted...?
For every rapist cop (like the one in... Tulsa? Oklahoma City? I know one of the OK state cities...) that gets convicted, at least 50 more that aren't rapists but murder a person of color, disabled person that probably couldn't hear/understand commands, etc. walk free.
That's a failure even if the "movement"/unrest causes the prosecutor to get off their ass to actually "do shit" when "doing shit" doesn't actually DO SHIT in punishing them.
In any case, skimming/quickly reading the article she's mostly talking about the book and agrees with the premise that Twitter and Social Media didn't really "move the needle." It might've caused some more organization, but the organization didn't do ANYTHING, which again: She isn't wrong about.
I'm not even sure what you guys expect at this point. It's like you refuse to consider the space between fully fixing the problem and actually building anything has to be crossed. Like if you break it down most of the hashtags are just telling people what the issues are and getting them basic info on how they can help. It isn't harmful or anything to get mad at because we'd have to do that anyway. idk i'm just tired of the attiude where people will lash out at you for doing literally anything to try and actually build the left and just going "lol i dunno" when you ask them what we should be doing. I'm sick of people pretending anything we do in our own community also doesn't exist and any meaningful improvement is impossible and all existing orgs are impotent when people don't even bother to check in with what is happening. Like, shit at this point it's just a self fulfilling prophecy. I think a lot of people here are more in love with the idea of the failed revolutionary than anything else.
It’s like you refuse to consider the space between fully fixing the problem and actually building anything has to be crossed.
Sure. But that's the thing: That "space" hasn't been crossed by the Twitter movement. There's been "movements" but they aren't anywhere on a "national" scale. The national ones (BLM, OWS) have been pretty (IMO) abject failures. OWS notoriously so.
That's the book's point: Twitter can be a force of good (Arab Springs) but a lot of the "local"/US based movements have been pretty tepid in terms of response despite a lot of outcry on Twitter/online.
She is wrong though. Maybe it is this way in NYC, but in other places these campaigns did have an effect on getting the stories out so that police officers would be charged, changing local budgets, reforms on local hate crime laws, swelling the numbers of local organizations. I live in a deep red state and this stuff does have a material effect in my town. It just isn't the type of thing that ever gets covered by shows like chapo since lefty media is sort of its own social sphere and ends up primarily analyzing itself.
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Well, I guess if you haven't been involved in anything it doesn't exist and isn't possible. That settles it.
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Babe, no she isn't. As @sifodeas states in another reply to you: The deep south has not improved. Occupy Wallstreet, while noble, did jack shit to improve material conditions. "WE ARE THE 99%!" is a catchy slogan, but that's all it is: A slogan. #MeToo only worked on Weinstein and a few other creeps (and some of them weren't as bad as Weinstein, but were still awful).
...And how many of them have been convicted...?
For every rapist cop (like the one in... Tulsa? Oklahoma City? I know one of the OK state cities...) that gets convicted, at least 50 more that aren't rapists but murder a person of color, disabled person that probably couldn't hear/understand commands, etc. walk free.
That's a failure even if the "movement"/unrest causes the prosecutor to get off their ass to actually "do shit" when "doing shit" doesn't actually DO SHIT in punishing them.
In any case, skimming/quickly reading the article she's mostly talking about the book and agrees with the premise that Twitter and Social Media didn't really "move the needle." It might've caused some more organization, but the organization didn't do ANYTHING, which again: She isn't wrong about.
I'm not even sure what you guys expect at this point. It's like you refuse to consider the space between fully fixing the problem and actually building anything has to be crossed. Like if you break it down most of the hashtags are just telling people what the issues are and getting them basic info on how they can help. It isn't harmful or anything to get mad at because we'd have to do that anyway. idk i'm just tired of the attiude where people will lash out at you for doing literally anything to try and actually build the left and just going "lol i dunno" when you ask them what we should be doing. I'm sick of people pretending anything we do in our own community also doesn't exist and any meaningful improvement is impossible and all existing orgs are impotent when people don't even bother to check in with what is happening. Like, shit at this point it's just a self fulfilling prophecy. I think a lot of people here are more in love with the idea of the failed revolutionary than anything else.
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Sure. But that's the thing: That "space" hasn't been crossed by the Twitter movement. There's been "movements" but they aren't anywhere on a "national" scale. The national ones (BLM, OWS) have been pretty (IMO) abject failures. OWS notoriously so.
That's the book's point: Twitter can be a force of good (Arab Springs) but a lot of the "local"/US based movements have been pretty tepid in terms of response despite a lot of outcry on Twitter/online.