I’ve felt this way for a while. The lack of ideological diversity is what creates the illusion of “left unity” over here. One example:
Imagine if we had a sizeable chunk of people who are anti-Dengist. Then nearly every post about China, every use of Xi emotes, would be filled with replies criticising China, Xi, and the OP.
And you couldn’t call all these people libs and just ban them because there are a lot of leftists, from Maoists to anarchists to ultras to even non-Dengist MLs who genuinely oppose the modern Chinese state based on their ideological convictions.
And if the mods banned them, that would be pure bias, and could lead to an exodus of those other leftist users, which would mean we are not actually left-unity.
But if the mods didn’t, then it would be a severe restriction on the kinds of content that can be posted on the “main” communities. You couldn’t say things like “China is moving towards socialism or that it is in the primary stage of socialist construction” because these are controversial opinions not held by other leftists. Allowing these, would mean allowing the opposites, which would mean a war in the replies every time you post something like this.
As an example, see what happened with vegan posting. In this “left unity” Hexbear, anarchists would have to confine their controversial opinions to the anarchist comm, MLs to the ML comm etc.
Right now, we have an extremely small minority of people who are against the majority opinion in some way. And those people are tolerated in their dissent as long as they frame it in very careful ways and never outright go against the majority. I mean, we have left unity emotes and anarchist emotes and that’s all cool.
But what happens if there are a 100+ anarchists who start posting and commenting about their analysis/opinion on the USSR? Would that be allowed? Would anarchists, if they existed in sizeable numbers be allowed to not just criticise the Soviet Union in the narrow ways in which is allowed currently but to state the full breadth of their opinions on it from the start? Even more controversial, what if Trots started talking about Stalin? How long would that be tolerated?
Now, I’m not saying the way Hexbear operates is wrong. Maybe left unity is a pipe dream and that there are just too many controversial positions and opposing visions for it to be real. Maybe, if there were other tendencies here, the mods would figure out a way to balance things out. Be calm on main, go wild on specific comms. But I think that is the point - Hexbear’s claim to left unity needs to be properly tested. The users and the mods need to face these challenges and come up with proper solutions that doesn’t end in purges of other communities. We cannot claim to be this big tent when we’ve only been in this tiny sandbox with a handful of small rocks.
real talk for a moment but there is no real unity or division in the american left because there is no functional organization around any one particular political program for their to be any unity or division for
anyone who is stuck on about left unity or being divisive is either unhealthily obsessed over these things and needs to actually go do something in the real world in regards to their beliefs or they are a spook trying to manipulate you for their own nefarious end
also anyone who thinks the path forward is to recreate the past is frankly a fool and a dangerous fool at that. the future is not the past and will never be. whatever the next stage of the political economy that takes hold globally will not be the ussr system or the spanish syndicalist system or whatever. it might have elements of those systems but it will be new and novel.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. Left Unity is useful when organising around a specific, local issue. My point was investigating the possibility of it existing in an online space that is decisively not based around organising, but general posting ie hexbear.
I feel like online spaces tend to amplify leftist-infighting. When people get out into the real world and actually do something with an org only real fucking weirdos start arguing about tendencies when you're trying to feed the homeless.
Yeah, true. OTOH, I feel the online is seeping into the offline too - I saw a “no tankie” poster in my favourite anarchist hanging out place.
the person who put that up will do absolutely nothing in regards to stopping anyone who is ML from jumping in and helping out in regards to whatever efforts that org is pushing in their community i promise you this
That feels true.
Seems like a great opportunity to strike up conversation about which terminally-online weirdo is trying to drive away volunteers for their belief that Vietnam is okay or w/e
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It's not "left unity bad" it's "preoccupation with left unity in a place with no program bad"
not so much bad as pointless, a waste of time and effort
the people preoccupied with this are the people trying to bicker over past grievances they are not even directly affected by and usually are not even active in doing anything particularly useful at all. they are spoilers in the realest sense of the word they spend their time online focused on reconciliation and arguing while the people are actually out there doing and those that are doing things arent really bothered with arguing over ideological trivia they are just feeding homeless people and yelling at city hall and shit and they will always and forever be more radical and cooler than whoever is yelling online about leftist unity or how MLs are bad or anarchists are naive or whatever
you misunderstand: left unity is meaningless in our current political paradigm in the usa like it literally doesnt help or hurt anything its a waste of time however even if this wasnt the case the focus on dogmatic adherence to past projects is fruitless as well because whatever comes next will be a new and novel thing, just as those past projects were themselves, and anyone clinging to dogmatism is going to be harmful to that project whether or not they claim to be on the side or unity or division
there literally is no contradiction in what im saying