If you care about this and have the time, just start grabbing links from hexbear or reddit or your bookmarks and post them to appropriate non-beehaw communities.
Beehaw is a large, active, “no tankies allowed” lemmy instance that has suspiciously defederated from much of the rest of the fediverse, including its largest competitors lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
This potentially threatens the lemmyverse as a system. If Beehaw gains a critical mass of the active lemmy userbase, and continues to defederate from its competitors, it could cause a vicious cycle where everyone goes to Beehaw because “that’s where everyone is.” Alternatively, Beehaw could use the threat of defederation to backseat-moderate other instances and enforce Beehaw politics outside of Beehaw. Either way, federation is defeated if Beehaw gets big enough.
*Lemmy.world is like twice as active as beehaw rn, I think beehaw fucked themselves over with their vetting process
We have already lasted 3 years without even being federated. How about going outside and/or joining an org instead?
This just strikes me as terminally online handwringing.
Hate to break it to you but the vast majority of people in need of organizing, educating, and agitating, don't know what any of this shit is.
I am begging you all to touch grass.
Seriously, until a month ago we were still the largest Lemmy instance. Regular lib federated lemmy seemed to be doing just fine.
Federation would be cool just to be able to communicate with other stuff like hobby communities and chat shit with others on the internet, no serious change, political or otherwise, is coming from it or any online stuff like it.
This potentially threatens the lemmyverse as a system. If Beehaw gains a critical mass of the active lemmy userbase, and continues to defederate from its competitors, it could cause a vicious cycle where everyone goes to Beehaw because “that’s where everyone is.” Alternatively, Beehaw could use the threat of defederation to backseat-moderate other instances and enforce Beehaw politics outside of Beehaw. Either way, federation is defeated if Beehaw gets big enough.
This will never even come close to happening a site where you need to do 10 pages of reading and then write a 3 page essay to receive an account will never come close to receiving a critical mass of users and quite frankly none of the other big instances seem to really like beehaw either so I wouldn’t worry about this and I don’t think anyone on here was posting on beehaw to begin with, they will in no way shape or form “defeat federation”
FR. Beehaw is fucking mega-cringe, but this isn't exactly secret knowledge. There are several larger instances. Lemmy.world is up to 60K at this point, Lemmy.ml is at 40K. Beehaw is at 11K.
Lemmy.world seems to be the largest Lemmy instance, and they still have not succumbed to the onslaught of "ban lemmygrad on principle" liberals. I mean, I have absolutely no reason to trust the admins, but they haven't done it yet even when communities I'd expect to be much more alert to this red scare shit (like blahaj.zone 😢) have.
One of the biggest tells is when an instance bans Lemmygrad.ml (for being MLs) and doesn't ban Lemmygrad[.]com (for being right-deveationist "MAGA communists" typo-squatting on another community)
But we all already knew that liberals were ill-equipped to moderate leftist discourse.
One of the biggest tells is when an instance bans Lemmygrad.ml (for being MLs) and doesn't ban Lemmygrad[.]com (for being right-deveationist "MAGA communists" typo-squatting on another community)
They have like 150 users/month, I would imagine people just don't know they exist.
I would imagine people just don't know they exist.
For ordinary users, fair. But I expect the people who are operating the network to have a slightly better idea of what is going on. What's happening is we have a bunch of day-one transplants showing up telling the people who have been on Lemmy/Fedi for three years what the problems are.
I've been in touch with Ruud and his philosophy seems to be "if they aren't breaking rules, we will not act against them". They've only hit places for hatespeech.
I'm trying to figure out what their relationship is going to be with community operators. The same relationship as admins to moderators on reddit or not? Have put this question to them as I have a number of subreddits that could funnel users over.
lemmy.world hasn’t defederated from lemmygrad but individual lemmy.world communities will still ban individual users for defending socialist states
They haven't defederated with Lemmygrad, but they've blocked the GenZedong community. If you go to lemmy.world, click on the Communities tab and search for GenZedong, it won't show up at all. Since that's by far the most active comm on Lemmygrad, that's almost the same as defederating, but done in a cowardly lib way where're technically not doing it.
Last I checked they don’t have the most users but they make up for it with activity. I was looking through the most active communities the other day and a lot were on beehawposts on lemmy.world have twice as many comments as on beehaw, so I think I’m wrong
sopuli is biggish and the two of them are part of a clique. I'm glad that beehaw got so annoying it was already alienating even the lib instances though.
10 pages of reading and write a 3 page essay
i know you’re joking but iirc they just have the same little questionnaire as lemmy.ml and it’s just like “why do you want to join, what communities are you interested in, and why did you pick your name” which I answered with one sentence bullet points
I did that too and got rejected for not explaining how I align with the beehaw philosophy or whatever. All I said was basically I like Reddit and want to find a friendly Reddit replacement and I couldnt get an account. Did you sign up with an email address?
Oh I’ve never actually signed up for Beehaw I just looked at the signup process
I thought most of the Lemmyverse that wasn't Beehaw was, you know, us.
This was true up until a few weeks ago. Now the total Lemmy userbase has increased by 1600% and is only about to increase further with Apollo fully shut down. We are probably around 4th or 5th now.
Nah. We’re in the running but there’s a handful that are a fair bit larger
Beehaw doesn't actually matter at all and everyone should just forget they exist. There is no reason for anyone on here to care about Beehaw.
i didnt know what any of this shit was but i went to lemmy.world and lemmy.ml and it was full of unironic liberals and i mean this seriously like the most insufferable of them and also one even told another milquetoast reply on a debt forgiveness post to "go back to lemmygrad, tankie" fuck all those awful shitfucks i want no part of it theres a reason i dont use reddit or twitter no i will not punctuate
Acting like "federate" and "instance" and fucking "beehaw" are self explanatory terms that everyone has always known is a bit and you can't convince me otherwise
Feel free to ignore this shit lol
“Federate” just means two sites can interact with each other. So if hexbear federates with lemmygrad (which I’ve heard might happen soonish) then lemmygrad users could comment and post here and vice versa, and lemmygrad posts would appear on our feeds and hexbear posts would appear on theirs.
There’s a network of sites that are connected this way, and since reddit killed 3rd party apps around 100k redditors have jumped ship to that network
Thanks for taking the time to break it down! It's def not my thing but now at least I know what the convo is
Instance is website. Federate means talk to. Lemmy means reddit-alternative. Beehaw is a lemmy website doesn't talk to other lemmy websites such as lemmy.world, Hexbear.net, and sh.itjust.works
The only reason I know/understand what federate means in this context is because I remember being told that e-mail is a federated service back in some IT class ages ago lol
Beehaw could use the threat of defederation to backseat-moderate other instances and enforce Beehaw politics outside of Beehaw.
"Match our content rules or we will defederate with you!!!"
"Go right ahead! We literally don't care! You won't be missed at all! Wtf, are they even real, lmao"This is kind of a major point behind the concept of the fediverse: that you can have your own rules and nobody else can enforce theirs on your space...
I still don't know what the fuck any of this shit is and I feel like an angry old man.
HELL YEAH GET OFF MY LAWN
BEEHAW MORE LIKE BEE-HAVE YOU WHIPPERSNAPPERS
I don't really think it's that big a deal, sorry. I don't much care for redditors in general, and I don't want any sort of federated social network to emulate their backwards culture. If the network bifurcates into a small cool half that's only moderately active and a large redditor half that is still less active than reddit just because they don't want to see scary tankies, then that's no skin off my nose.
Shit, I thought the defed by Beehaw from LW and sh.it would be inconsequential, but if they are missing the wave from killing of those apps then that could really fuck over their plans to pillarize the platform.
Fucking radlib hive is run by morons, I guess
