one piece is weird about indigenous cultures and has some rancid transphobia in its past and is kind of lib brained about some stuff (the fishman island arc borders on being scared of reverse racism). plus the way oda draws women is unconscionable.
to be clear i still like it and it's better than a lot of stuff, but far from unproblematic
We can consider it transphobic but I think that one character and their following is based on a real person who enjoys the depiction.
And the fishmen are the slave catchers/sellers, but the actual slave masters are frequently humans, particularly the Imperial Dragons, who were at the head of that whole affair trying to take that one mermaid in as a sex slave.
this isn't about mr 2 bon clay or ivankov, this is specifically about the sanji timeskip stuff where he's running from ugly crossdressers trying to convert him to their way of life
and the fishman island stuff i was thinking of was hody jones and how his deal is that he hates humans because he's racist and not because of the bad stuff they've done, we all just need to coexist and get along. it's hardly the worst treatment of racial politics i've seen, but it's still lib shit
I do think there is something to be said about the danger of accepting the bigotry put on you as being just the way of the world and responding by saying "Our camp needs to be even more effective in the promotion of our race, which can never be reconciled with their race". It's not that different from the message of Marcus Garvey, the black nationalist from the 1920s who said that the KKK expresses the "authentic character and will" of every white man and that it's inevitable that one fights on behalf of one's race to secure a nation controlled by that race, and therefore that his group (though much less violent) essentially wishes to pursue the same goals as the KKK, but for the black man. Obviously Garvey didn't do only bad things, e.g. he helped poor black families flee persecution to Africa, but overall his view was deeply damaging and an obvious mirror-image of the "moderate" racism like the worse aspects of Lincoln.
i agree, and i don't think it's an awful message i just think it got a little both sidesy and borders saying reverse racism is as bad as regular racism
fmab is good, but kind of libs out with the ending. the series's politics of disability are better than a lot but still end with basically every disabled character magically finding a cure based on the souls of tortured innocents, and we don't see the heroic war criminals face consequences, though there's room for interpretation on that one
ghibli stuff.... i've heard people say the wind rises is too sympathetic to the imperialist japanese warplane designer but also i know miyazaki got yelled at by all the conservatives because it was too critical of imperial japan so maybe it's fine. miyazaki said some kind of weird shit about one of his underaged characters tits iirc?
i'm not out to cancel any anime here, the ones i've talked about are all good i'm just trying to think of problems in things i mostly like
Porco Rosso is both a great film and pretty blunt about its disdain for fascism. 'Red Pigs' was even a nickname for communists used by Italian fascists, and while they remain mostly in the background they're unequivocally the bad guys. I also just found out the other day, a song used prominently in the film, Les Temps des Cerises, was written by a French guy who later dedicated it to a nurse he met during a gun battle when he was fighting monarchists on the barricades of the actual Paris Commune.
one piece is weird about indigenous cultures and has some rancid transphobia in its past and is kind of lib brained about some stuff (the fishman island arc borders on being scared of reverse racism). plus the way oda draws women is unconscionable.
to be clear i still like it and it's better than a lot of stuff, but far from unproblematic
We can consider it transphobic but I think that one character and their following is based on a real person who enjoys the depiction.
And the fishmen are the slave catchers/sellers, but the actual slave masters are frequently humans, particularly the Imperial Dragons, who were at the head of that whole affair trying to take that one mermaid in as a sex slave.
this isn't about mr 2 bon clay or ivankov, this is specifically about the sanji timeskip stuff where he's running from ugly crossdressers trying to convert him to their way of life
and the fishman island stuff i was thinking of was hody jones and how his deal is that he hates humans because he's racist and not because of the bad stuff they've done, we all just need to coexist and get along. it's hardly the worst treatment of racial politics i've seen, but it's still lib shit
Oh yeah, the Sanji thing was weird
I do think there is something to be said about the danger of accepting the bigotry put on you as being just the way of the world and responding by saying "Our camp needs to be even more effective in the promotion of our race, which can never be reconciled with their race". It's not that different from the message of Marcus Garvey, the black nationalist from the 1920s who said that the KKK expresses the "authentic character and will" of every white man and that it's inevitable that one fights on behalf of one's race to secure a nation controlled by that race, and therefore that his group (though much less violent) essentially wishes to pursue the same goals as the KKK, but for the black man. Obviously Garvey didn't do only bad things, e.g. he helped poor black families flee persecution to Africa, but overall his view was deeply damaging and an obvious mirror-image of the "moderate" racism like the worse aspects of Lincoln.
i agree, and i don't think it's an awful message i just think it got a little both sidesy and borders saying reverse racism is as bad as regular racism
Oh no
What about Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood? Ghibli movies?
fmab is good, but kind of libs out with the ending. the series's politics of disability are better than a lot but still end with basically every disabled character magically finding a cure based on the souls of tortured innocents, and we don't see the heroic war criminals face consequences, though there's room for interpretation on that one
ghibli stuff.... i've heard people say the wind rises is too sympathetic to the imperialist japanese warplane designer but also i know miyazaki got yelled at by all the conservatives because it was too critical of imperial japan so maybe it's fine. miyazaki said some kind of weird shit about one of his underaged characters tits iirc?
i'm not out to cancel any anime here, the ones i've talked about are all good i'm just trying to think of problems in things i mostly like
You're right though, anime does have a lot of problems and we can't just ignore that. I don't think it's wrong to point out it's flaws.
Porco Rosso is both a great film and pretty blunt about its disdain for fascism. 'Red Pigs' was even a nickname for communists used by Italian fascists, and while they remain mostly in the background they're unequivocally the bad guys. I also just found out the other day, a song used prominently in the film, Les Temps des Cerises, was written by a French guy who later dedicated it to a nurse he met during a gun battle when he was fighting monarchists on the barricades of the actual Paris Commune.