I care much less about the size and internet presence of Azov than who they have dominion over. I won't assume your values, but if all you care about is line go up, Azov was already growing and getting integrated properly into the Ukrainian military before the invasion. The war presents an outside possibility of its ultimate destruction ("denazification" means mainly this) and, and I cannot stress this part enough, preventing the Azovites from being able to slaughter the people of Donbas with impunity.
It doesn't. Be honest. This is literally just copium. The US and the rest of NATO will continue to flood them with arms for as long as it takes.
Guns require people who are willing and able to shoot them. The Ukrainian army is not infinite and their generals are not immortal. Your defeatism makes quite a lot of sense ideologically, but I for one think that the US actually can be beaten back so long as it's not being directly threatened.
They are slaughtering people at this very moment
I don't believe it's quite the same situation for them now, considering how under-equipped the Donbas military was and how they had no allies doing any of the fighting. Beyond that, the war will end, and the point of the war is indeed not the war itself but its end, with some sort of peace for Donbas being negotiated in a manner that has more weight than the premeditated lies that were the Minsk treaties. The extent to which it is two countries negotiating versus one extracting concessions from what is left of the other is not something I can really predict, but I can assure you that if only one remains standing it will not be Ukraine, so the outcome should be better for Donbas either way than if Russia had not intervened and the only end in sight for the shelling of Donbas was the possibility a thorough on-the-ground pogrom.
They are slaughtering people at this very moment- are they doing it with impunity though?
I remember some sad looking Nazis in bunker town last year.
I think the Azov's ability to roll up into town unimpeded and begin disappearing people has been reduced some what .
Is the death and carnage worth it? well, obviously yes it is- for the Donbass fighters who defended themselves from the beginning of this in 2014 . And no one with a Azov tattoo would even discuss the ability of letting the donbass rule itself so they seem pretty happy to keep it going.
Still didn't list any alternative options
Not doing something is an option
Should Donbas have just been left to Azov into perpetuity?
I mean since the invasion Azov has only grown in size and now has extra defenders so great job there
I care much less about the size and internet presence of Azov than who they have dominion over. I won't assume your values, but if all you care about is line go up, Azov was already growing and getting integrated properly into the Ukrainian military before the invasion. The war presents an outside possibility of its ultimate destruction ("denazification" means mainly this) and, and I cannot stress this part enough, preventing the Azovites from being able to slaughter the people of Donbas with impunity.
It doesn't. Be honest. This is literally just copium. The US and the rest of NATO will continue to flood them with arms for as long as it takes.
They are slaughtering people at this very moment
Guns require people who are willing and able to shoot them. The Ukrainian army is not infinite and their generals are not immortal. Your defeatism makes quite a lot of sense ideologically, but I for one think that the US actually can be beaten back so long as it's not being directly threatened.
I don't believe it's quite the same situation for them now, considering how under-equipped the Donbas military was and how they had no allies doing any of the fighting. Beyond that, the war will end, and the point of the war is indeed not the war itself but its end, with some sort of peace for Donbas being negotiated in a manner that has more weight than the premeditated lies that were the Minsk treaties. The extent to which it is two countries negotiating versus one extracting concessions from what is left of the other is not something I can really predict, but I can assure you that if only one remains standing it will not be Ukraine, so the outcome should be better for Donbas either way than if Russia had not intervened and the only end in sight for the shelling of Donbas was the possibility a thorough on-the-ground pogrom.
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They are slaughtering people at this very moment- are they doing it with impunity though?
I remember some sad looking Nazis in bunker town last year.
I think the Azov's ability to roll up into town unimpeded and begin disappearing people has been reduced some what . Is the death and carnage worth it? well, obviously yes it is- for the Donbass fighters who defended themselves from the beginning of this in 2014 . And no one with a Azov tattoo would even discuss the ability of letting the donbass rule itself so they seem pretty happy to keep it going.
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This is unquestionably true, and also why I said that nothing else could have been expected.