Anonymous hackers leaked the personal data of 1,000 Belarusian police officers in retaliation for a crackdown on street demonstrations against veteran President Alexander Lukashenko, as protesters geared up for another mass rally on Sunday.
There are countless reasons to protest the Belarusian government and trying to delegitimise a widespread support within the population by trying to paint them as being controlled by the CIA... No. And people on this subreddit do this as soon as protesters' interests somehow align with US interests (whenever they protest a government the US does not like).
Socialists of belarus and all of the former ussr support them. Shut up. Defer your understanding of the location to those that actually live there and stop being an imperialism supporting chauvinist.
Maybe take a note from the person you take your name from: https://twitter.com/search?q=belarus%20(from%3Ajeremycorbyn)&src=typed_query
There's a god damn reason he's shut his mouth on this topic yet expresses open vocal support for cuba, venezuela, bolivia, etc. Even Corbyn knows what's fucking up here and he's just a socdem.
Socialists of belarus and all of the former ussr support them.
That does not mean that there aren't legitimate reasons for the protests and that people haven't been fed up with the current government for a long time. Reducing everything to "the CIA was behind it" paints protesters as puppets, discredits them and their cause, and prevents us from learning anything from it. In this case, it is very possible that hackers from Belarus got the information themselves.
You're getting attacked here because what you're doing is clearly not in opposition to imperialism, it's in support of it.
Everyone is perfectly willing to have a conversation about the actual problems that do exist, but not in the context of someone arguing in bad faith in a way that supports NATO interests to take over the country. People would very much discuss the real problems involved here, but only when everyone involved clearly and unequivocally vocalises that they do not support this foreign interventionist attempt to topple him and absolutely destroy the lives of millions and millions of people. Especially under a fascist flag.
You’re getting attacked here because what you’re doing is clearly not in opposition to imperialism, it’s in support of it.
Saying that you shouldn't dismisd every activism that remotely aligns with US interests as orchestrated by the CIA, without even having any evidence, (and I am sure their government IT infrastructure sucks, like almost everywhere) is "in support of imperialism"? Ok then.
But there are only two outcomes. There is no leftist opposition. There is Luka, who protects the economic interests of the working class in Belarus, and there is the neoliberal opposition. You claim "widespread support" for the protests but there is no evidence of that. It's very much based on class and age. Young professionals in the city overwhelmingly support the protests while older and more working class people support Luka. The young professionals want to live like French and Germans do, with more luxuries and a cheaper underclass to serve them artesanal pastries or whatever. The working class people want their stable factory jobs with good pay and benefits to not get sold to some American private equity firm that will lay people off and cut wages.
You claim “widespread support” for the protests but there is no evidence of that.
A lot of people going on the street counts as evidence. I can't give you numbers, as the government hasn't released any for many years.
Young professionals in the city overwhelmingly support the protests while older and more working class people support Luka. The young professionals want to live like French and Germans do, with more luxuries and a cheaper underclass to serve them artesanal pastries or whatever.
And again, you are reducing them to only acting based on selfish reasons and greed, ignoring all the valid reasons to protest. That they have grown up never seeing any other president than him, that the elections are most likely rigged, that the oppression is threatened and driven out of the country, and wanting to participate in a democracy are not legitimate concerns to you?
Damn dude u got me. It's about the freedumbs n democrazys. I guess we should support every "popular" reactionary movement because they have "legitimate" grievances.
The massive waves of Venezuelan chuds rioting because the PSUV consolidated power? I guess they're good and we should support them. They have legitimate concerns, after all. They want more freedom. Freedom to put their fascist political figures in power. That's democracy.
Bolivian chuds rioting because Evo changed the constitution to allow himself to run again? Justified. Even if the riots culminated in a military coup and mass violence against indigenous people, they were justified because that was a very authoritarian move by Evo.
It literally doesn't matter even slightly what "valid" reasons exist for the protest, since the end result is brutal, US-imposed neoliberalism and imperialist exploitation.
It is. I posted about people on here frequently putting all blame on the CIA, whether or not there is even any evidence for CIA involvement, acting as if there can't be organic protest movements and widespread issues that drive people on the streets. As if all the violence and oppression by the Belarusian government does not exist and wouldn't lead to protests almost everywhere. Criticise US imperialism all you want, but maybe try to not force it into everything as a way to deflect from the real reasons people protest.
There are countless reasons to protest the Belarusian government and trying to delegitimise a widespread support within the population by trying to paint them as being controlled by the CIA... No. And people on this subreddit do this as soon as protesters' interests somehow align with US interests (whenever they protest a government the US does not like).
Socialists of belarus and all of the former ussr support them. Shut up. Defer your understanding of the location to those that actually live there and stop being an imperialism supporting chauvinist.
Maybe take a note from the person you take your name from: https://twitter.com/search?q=belarus%20(from%3Ajeremycorbyn)&src=typed_query
There's a god damn reason he's shut his mouth on this topic yet expresses open vocal support for cuba, venezuela, bolivia, etc. Even Corbyn knows what's fucking up here and he's just a socdem.
No you see, they're not real leftists because they don't all have purple hair and make gritty memes
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That does not mean that there aren't legitimate reasons for the protests and that people haven't been fed up with the current government for a long time. Reducing everything to "the CIA was behind it" paints protesters as puppets, discredits them and their cause, and prevents us from learning anything from it. In this case, it is very possible that hackers from Belarus got the information themselves.
You're getting attacked here because what you're doing is clearly not in opposition to imperialism, it's in support of it.
Everyone is perfectly willing to have a conversation about the actual problems that do exist, but not in the context of someone arguing in bad faith in a way that supports NATO interests to take over the country. People would very much discuss the real problems involved here, but only when everyone involved clearly and unequivocally vocalises that they do not support this foreign interventionist attempt to topple him and absolutely destroy the lives of millions and millions of people. Especially under a fascist flag.
Saying that you shouldn't dismisd every activism that remotely aligns with US interests as orchestrated by the CIA, without even having any evidence, (and I am sure their government IT infrastructure sucks, like almost everywhere) is "in support of imperialism"? Ok then.
But there are only two outcomes. There is no leftist opposition. There is Luka, who protects the economic interests of the working class in Belarus, and there is the neoliberal opposition. You claim "widespread support" for the protests but there is no evidence of that. It's very much based on class and age. Young professionals in the city overwhelmingly support the protests while older and more working class people support Luka. The young professionals want to live like French and Germans do, with more luxuries and a cheaper underclass to serve them artesanal pastries or whatever. The working class people want their stable factory jobs with good pay and benefits to not get sold to some American private equity firm that will lay people off and cut wages.
A lot of people going on the street counts as evidence. I can't give you numbers, as the government hasn't released any for many years.
And again, you are reducing them to only acting based on selfish reasons and greed, ignoring all the valid reasons to protest. That they have grown up never seeing any other president than him, that the elections are most likely rigged, that the oppression is threatened and driven out of the country, and wanting to participate in a democracy are not legitimate concerns to you?
Damn dude u got me. It's about the freedumbs n democrazys. I guess we should support every "popular" reactionary movement because they have "legitimate" grievances.
The massive waves of Venezuelan chuds rioting because the PSUV consolidated power? I guess they're good and we should support them. They have legitimate concerns, after all. They want more freedom. Freedom to put their fascist political figures in power. That's democracy.
Bolivian chuds rioting because Evo changed the constitution to allow himself to run again? Justified. Even if the riots culminated in a military coup and mass violence against indigenous people, they were justified because that was a very authoritarian move by Evo.
Where do you see a call for support?
It is about facing reality and not dismissing everyone and everything as CIA-backed while ignoring the causes.
It literally doesn't matter even slightly what "valid" reasons exist for the protest, since the end result is brutal, US-imposed neoliberalism and imperialist exploitation.
What the end result could be is a completely separate topic.
It absolutely is not.
It is. I posted about people on here frequently putting all blame on the CIA, whether or not there is even any evidence for CIA involvement, acting as if there can't be organic protest movements and widespread issues that drive people on the streets. As if all the violence and oppression by the Belarusian government does not exist and wouldn't lead to protests almost everywhere. Criticise US imperialism all you want, but maybe try to not force it into everything as a way to deflect from the real reasons people protest.
Is the hundreds of thousands of dollars in NED funding not sufficient evidence of CIA involvement?