Liberals are authoritarians, we all pretty much agree on that here but what's the best way to communicate this to a well meaning baby leftist?

Anything worth linking to or specific phrasings you like using? How do you go about justifying that liberals are the "real" authoritarians and not the communists?

  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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    Libs always have economic arguments against good things (see Medicare for All) -- that's what makes them libs, not leftists. But once those things are in place they are not the ones clamoring to tear them down. This is fundamentally different from how fascists view them.

    My point isn't that libs support good things -- they don't, at least not uniformly, and not actively enough -- it's that libs aren't going to actively sabatoge good things once they're in place.

    You start to hear dehumanizing language like saying homeless people are disgusting.

    Dehumanizing language isn't just any insult directed at a group. Dehumanizing language is stuff like saying homeless people "infest" an area, calling homeless people "zombies," or calling for cops to clear "bodies" out of an area. You see this all the time from fascists but rarely from libs.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Libs always have economic arguments against good things (see Medicare for All) -- that's what makes them libs, not leftists. But once those things are in place they are not the ones clamoring to tear them down. This is fundamentally different from how fascists view them.

      My point isn't that libs support good things -- they don't, at least not uniformly, and not actively enough -- it's that libs aren't going to actively sabatoge good things once they're in place.

      Like I said earlier, things like universal healthcare benefit liberals, so they tolerate it and even support it. Housing homeless people is largely a detriment to their property value, so they oppose it. I could give other examples. White and Asian liberals absolutely hate affirmative action as much as their fascist peers, and they'll push to get rid of that shit as well. That's why so-called progressive state California doesn't even have affirmative action and hasn't had affirmative action since the 90s. Affirmative action wasn't scraped in California by fascists but by liberals. The only reason why the Democratic Party nominally support affirmative action is because of Black and Latine liberals.

      Dehumanizing language is stuff like saying homeless people "infest" an area, calling homeless people "zombies," or calling for cops to clear "bodies" out of an area. You see this all the time from fascists but rarely from libs.

      You never hear liberals complain about how homeless people are disgusting for smelling like piss and making everywhere else smell like piss because of public urination? You never hear liberals complain about how their tents are a complete eyesore and a vector for disease?

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        White and Asian liberals absolutely hate affirmative action as much as their fascist peers

        ...they don't? I know plenty of white and asian libs who support affirmative action. Democrats as a whole support AA much more than Republicans, so it's hard to belive even a majority of white libs oppose it, much less hate it the same as fascists do (i.e., on Bell Curve racist grounds).

        You never hear liberals complain about how their tents are a complete eyesore and a vector for disease?

        This isn't dehumanizing language, either. You honestly see no difference between "I don't like smelling piss/seeing someone piss when I walk down the street" and "we should sweep these zombies from the streets and put them on an island somewhere" (actual Republican proposal!)?

        • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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          they don't? I know plenty of white and asian libs who support affirmative action. Democrats as a whole support AA much more than Republicans, so it's hard to belive even a majority of white libs oppose it, much less hate it the same as fascists do (i.e., on Bell Curve racist grounds).

          Those are just polls. I'm talking about real life where a blue state like California has dismantled affirmative action. Californians voted to pass Proposition 209 which dismantled affirmative action and voted against Proposition 16, which would've repealed Proposition 209. It wasn't spearheaded by some hidden cabal of Californian fascists, especially not Proposition 16, which happened in 2020 when most fascists had long since fled from "Commiefornia."

          This isn't dehumanizing language, either. You honestly see no difference between "I don't like smelling piss/seeing someone piss when I walk down the street" and "we should sweep these zombies from the streets and put them on an island somewhere" (actual Republican proposal!)?

          There's a difference between dehumanizing language and genocidal language. Cool, I give liberals the bare minimum of not articulating their genocidal thoughts of the homeless out loud like fascists even if they agree with them in private.

          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Californians voted to pass Proposition 209

            In 1996, when the state had a Republican governor. It's absurd to attribute that to liberals, just as it's absurd to say California is nothing but liberals today. Reactionary referendums are frequently spearheaded by fascists, too.