Shut the fuck up Uighur genocide denier [insert reddit anti-china copy pasta] every single country that matters has denounced China also USSR bad cause Holodomor and great purges also killing of the romanovs I can't believe I'm talking with a child murder advocate
It's not an exact quote I got off reddit but it carries the same message
At that point, a judgement call needs to be made about whether there would be enough people browsing the thread that could be convinced by a patient and thorough rebuttal. On reddit especially, I find it's not worth the effort more often than not.
If there's a lot of engagement in your thread (like 10+ votes) that means there were probably at least 100 people who scrolled by and read that fight.
Staying calm and talking to those hundred people while avoiding the outbursts of the idiot you're arguing with can be effective. It's not anything to lose sleep over, but if even 1 of those hundered people start to question their media sources, it was worthwhile.
No I'm legitimately wondering what I can do to get people to stop deepthroating state propaganda, but this is the sort of resistance I meet when I try and I legitimately do not understand how I can meet eye to eye with the braindead reddit fucks that unironically sling those insults around
edit: also I really gotta point out the hypocrisy in you giving up after two bad faith arguments from me but expect me to "work harder" when I end up having to wade through like 15+ bad faith posts only to end up being blocked because they don't like it when people disagree with them
I just don't get why people in Amerikkka care so much about China when we have concentration camps and imperialism and slave labor and what ever other percieved ills right here at home. Like, worry about yourself more sweaty.
Edit: Especially leftleaning folk, I understand the chud reasoning.
ultimately, in my experience, it comes down to white people being physically incapable of believing that their country is doing worse things than an Asian country. This (especially) includes """"""""""""""""anarchists""""""""""""""""
the anarchists i've met are definitely kind of ok with cuba, vietnam and such, like, critical support. but china? to them it's the worse of both worlds, "horrifying cut-throat full throttle dystopian capitalism" and "terribly oppressive orwellian state that films you taking a shower", and they feel like it's genuinely worse than america because america at least still has "civil liberties"
These types of people are okay with Cuba and Vietnam because they're just kind of... There. Neither are going to make any type of change that is going to shake up their lives in the Imperial Core.
China, on the other hand, has the economic and military chops to actually compete against and maybe even topple the West. That type of change would require these people to actually step up and put their talk into action.
I can't think of a better explanation for why they love Vietnam but not China, despite being essentially the same system (billionaires and all).
So if you literally can't get your point across to someone who wants to understand you, how do you expect to get your point across to someone who neither understands you nor wishes to? I'm literally trying to learn here and you go "excuses excuses" well fucking teach me then
Of course. I shouldn't have to educate anarchists and other anticommunist leftists though, for fucks sake
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Alright then, teach me how to deal with these people then. Pretend that I just called you red fash chinazi wumao filth. What next?
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Shut the fuck up Uighur genocide denier [insert reddit anti-china copy pasta] every single country that matters has denounced China also USSR bad cause Holodomor and great purges also killing of the romanovs I can't believe I'm talking with a child murder advocate
It's not an exact quote I got off reddit but it carries the same message
At that point, a judgement call needs to be made about whether there would be enough people browsing the thread that could be convinced by a patient and thorough rebuttal. On reddit especially, I find it's not worth the effort more often than not.
If there's a lot of engagement in your thread (like 10+ votes) that means there were probably at least 100 people who scrolled by and read that fight.
Staying calm and talking to those hundred people while avoiding the outbursts of the idiot you're arguing with can be effective. It's not anything to lose sleep over, but if even 1 of those hundered people start to question their media sources, it was worthwhile.
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No I'm legitimately wondering what I can do to get people to stop deepthroating state propaganda, but this is the sort of resistance I meet when I try and I legitimately do not understand how I can meet eye to eye with the braindead reddit fucks that unironically sling those insults around
edit: also I really gotta point out the hypocrisy in you giving up after two bad faith arguments from me but expect me to "work harder" when I end up having to wade through like 15+ bad faith posts only to end up being blocked because they don't like it when people disagree with them
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I just don't get why people in Amerikkka care so much about China when we have concentration camps and imperialism and slave labor and what ever other percieved ills right here at home. Like, worry about yourself more sweaty.
Edit: Especially leftleaning folk, I understand the chud reasoning.
ultimately, in my experience, it comes down to white people being physically incapable of believing that their country is doing worse things than an Asian country. This (especially) includes """"""""""""""""anarchists""""""""""""""""
The anarchists I know personally, and follow online, aren't like that but lots of DemSocs definitely are.
the anarchists i've met are definitely kind of ok with cuba, vietnam and such, like, critical support. but china? to them it's the worse of both worlds, "horrifying cut-throat full throttle dystopian capitalism" and "terribly oppressive orwellian state that films you taking a shower", and they feel like it's genuinely worse than america because america at least still has "civil liberties"
These types of people are okay with Cuba and Vietnam because they're just kind of... There. Neither are going to make any type of change that is going to shake up their lives in the Imperial Core.
China, on the other hand, has the economic and military chops to actually compete against and maybe even topple the West. That type of change would require these people to actually step up and put their talk into action.
I can't think of a better explanation for why they love Vietnam but not China, despite being essentially the same system (billionaires and all).
I just mean I haven't heard them go on and on about China like everyone else and instead talk about the woes of Capitalism primarily.
This post gets the Noam Chomsky activism seal of approval. Congratulations.
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So if you literally can't get your point across to someone who wants to understand you, how do you expect to get your point across to someone who neither understands you nor wishes to? I'm literally trying to learn here and you go "excuses excuses" well fucking teach me then
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I agree. Stop whining, start explaining