Rant. A fucking Newsweek article didn't give a link to the poll. I had to google. God, do I hate that.
under-30 turnout will be historically low. how many young people want to vote for some old piece of shit who was already the president? most of our lives got worse under both these assholes
"Gee, do I want to vote for the guy supporting the brutal murder of people my age and lower whose deaths I've seen on video, or do I want to support the other guy who'll do the same and potentially worse?"
Something libs genuinely can't grasp is that many people will vote for what they want, not for damage control. It takes effort to go and vote, and in some places it's deliberately made even harder; not everyone is going to put themselves through that to vote for someone they don't want just because they dislike him slightly less than the other guy.
Maybe if the loser was gonna be killed painfully but even then it would be a tough call
I am so fucking thankful for Skibidi Biden. That skit might have singlehandedly saved democracy. When young people see faces that resonate with them saying things as startling as "Trump is using Hitler's language", they have to think about the world around them for the first time in their lives. Thank you Mr. Colbert.
Down to 23% from a 25% margin in the actual 2020 election that they barely won
Remember when we all thought democracy meant we could have any leader we wanted, rather than a choice between a slightly slowed progression into the abyss vs diving headfirst into it?
The lib I work with....in the same sitting he'll tell me that no you can't have what you want, realistically it'll be this guy or the other guy, and then when I tell him we don't have a democracy we have a monarchy with a choice between two political dynasties he'll insist on 'but what if the people want someone else'. He can somehow comfortably believe in two entirely opposing beliefs.
The fun part is you also don't get to know which candidate is which (slow progression vs. dive head first).
I was talking to a young Palestinian male in Dearborn, MI which has been targeted by the GOP as a place where Trump/GOP can pick up votes to win Michigan. This guy said he liked Trump, “because he’s funny”. I asked him if that is really what he’s looking for in a president, a comedian. No answer. I asked him if he liked Trump’s SCOTUS and other court picks. No answer. And is he really funny: migrants fighting, shithole countries, etc? And will he really be interested in defending Palestine at all? No answer. Pay attention people! BTW, dementia isn’t funny. It is serious and that man cannot be president.
Oh yes that definitely happened. Smarmy fucker.
I believe the polling results would be far different if they spoke to people face-to-face. But pollsters avoid doing that like the plague. It's far more expense and complex than simply calling people. So they always call people.
Polling people by phone requires the pollsters to call an insane number of people and call over again too. I assume any poll about something like politics that's phone-based is suspect for young people results even if pollsters oversample. What sane, rational young person answers a call from an unknown number and if they do - keeps taking?
Another thing is polling assumes people are being honest and truthful. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I think this election will prove to be a (very) weird one. I think the average young person thinks both parties suck. Non-GOP people are virtue signaling that they support Biden and the dems more than answering honestly. And I think on the right there's virtue signaling for the GOP and Trump.
Yet another r/politics thread - of course they have the opposite view. Emphasis mine.
gradientz comments on Young voters backing Biden over Trump by 23-point margin: Poll
The difference between this poll and others is that YouGov made an active, concerted effort to oversample young people (a notoriously difficult demo to poll) to help get to a more accurate result with far lower margin for error. Unsurprising that this additional effort got them closer to the result we would expect.
I use YouGov data all the time at work (advertising agency) because they have the most representative sample of the American consumer. It's really interesting to combine these answers (which came off their weekly question bank) with the data from their annual survey (the broader demographics and psychographics) to understand the mindsets of different types of voters. Not that I'm in poli-sci, but it's still cool to play with the data and understand these audiences.
"The American consumer". It's true that the the Biden/Democrat Brand took a ding due to the Gaza situation but that's offset by...
Not surprising. The media has built Trump up to be the ultimate enemy to Democracy and few people will think beyond what the media tells them.
I feel like there's a better way to word this eithout coming off like a trump suporter
We really don't need to worry about "coming off like a trump supporter" because anyone here who thinks for half a second can tell there are no trump supporters here
Oh buddy oh boyo no don't you criticize the media no sirree or else you'll look like a Trump supporter dontcha know
To be fair, they're not including the percentage of under-30's who aren't voting (unless it's 1%).
Oh, looks like I wont have to worry about Trump then. Guess I'll just skip out on the voting, cause Biden's gonna win anyway.
Americans under thirty have the same goldfish memory their parents and grandparents do, more at eleven.
Donald Trump please win I need you to win. If you can hear this PLEASE save us.
So this means it's okay for me to vote 3rd party then right?
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