Whenever I hear of Marxist theory applied to the conditions of modern America it's always in relation to ML or Trotskyism, but I never hear Maoism brought up. Does Maoism have any application to current day America?

  • TemporalMembrane [she/her]
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    In the sense of the Mass Line, Maoism is not only applicable but the only way forward in the modern West. Communists must not be separate from the community but consult them and fulfill what they ask for.

    This can be DSA brake light repair events, Fred Hampton-style hot breakfast for school kids, running safe injection sites, aiding the homeless, starting community gardens, providing protection to protestors, etc. We take the unorganized aspirations of the working class and turn them into praxis and educate on Marxism and how their conditions have degraded this way under capitalism. We invite the masses to participate in our meetings and encourage them to join our cadres.

    In the sense of hiding in the mountains or forests as in Protracted People's War... it doesn't seem to be a strategy that it viable in modern America. Perhaps if conditions degrade sufficiently and there is mass civil unrest and militias and police forces clashing it would be viable.

  • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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    One thing to note is that "Maoism" and "Mao Zedong Thought" are two very different things. The CPC practices MZT while guerillas like the NPA in the Philippines and the Naxalites in India practice Maoism.

    The cornerstone of Maoism is the Protracted People's War, and honestly that hasn't panned out well in a very long time. The PPW in China was successful but China was a backward agrarian country with an extremely fragile and disorganized state. Maoism applied to the industrialized countries ends up looking like the RAF or the Weathermen. You cant really bleed a state as powerful as ours dry through attrition, so the whole theory breaks down.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        Absolutely, in non/semi-industrialised countries it is by far the most successful option. In the US flyover states it might even work, if it wasn't full of chuds. Maybe Urban nations with significant rural areas like Aus, though the main cities like Sydney are self sustaining within their local basin

        PPW is less easy to adapt to, say the Rhineland, where the concept of rural means "5km wide green belt". No one is going to hide out in the remaining Black Forest pockets, striking at Stuttgart supply trains while dodging holiday hikers.

        An adaptation to environments where there is nothing but cities and city support structures is needed, and I have trouble seeing how that would look like PPW as opposed to a more conventional ML approach of urban strikes and insurrection.

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      Also we would be destroyed doing a guerilla war in modern America. To much surveillance and to many drones.

  • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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    People laugh at Maoists a lot because they're often too zealous (like that group that wanted to wage a guerilla war with 2-3 person cadres in the Everglades) but they're the most theoretically rigorous and committed organizations. I think that they're right about pretty much everything even if they are about 50 years ahead of where the rest of the proletariat is.

    Edit: Every time I think of Maoists I remember this one manual I read by some org years ago where they say you shouldn't use drugs or alcohol because it would hinder you contribution to the revolution, except if you need to in order to build the mass line (like going to bars to be with the workers). I also think of when the Red Guard (is that what they're called?) in Texas was protesting outside DSA meetings for being social fascists.

    • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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      Being theoretically rigorous isn’t in itself a good thing when your theory is that you’re waging a a campaign against “revisionism” by interrupting DSA meetings to cosplay and abuse the elderly. .

      In seriousness, the idea that guerilla war is the preferred tactic for all situations is anti-Marxist, and being “50 years ahead of the proletariat” is just another way of saying they demonstrably have no connection to the proletariat. You have to orient to consciousness and conditions as they currently exist, and raise the level from that point.

      • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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        Mao often just told the peasants what they wanted to hear when recruiting them and later would later train them ideologically. This wasn't always the case, but still happened. He also gave food to people which helped.

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        Oh hey you brought that up as I was making my edit. That's what I mean by being 50 years ahead though. There's no reason to care about revisionism right now but in a revolutionary situation, I hope the DSA isn't in charge too.

        I would argue that a guerilla war is kind of necessary even if it isn't desirable. it's not like we're going to be able to stage a coup d'etat. The main problem is starting it at the right time which a lot of Maoist zealots don't understand (again they're 50 years in the future when the US is 17 different countries, half of which are constantly on fire.)

        I agree with your last point about being at the level of the workers though.

    • cpfhornet [she/her,comrade/them]
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      RGA has an extensive history of heavy larping and targetting of exclusively leftist groups, and have a bad rumor floating around of using Cointelpro tactics. Definitely not the best example to use for Maoist groups, which as most people in the thread say, are some of the more developed and disciplined, though I still am not sure exactly of where most of them differ from well read MLs in the modern US

      • scramplunge [comrade/them]
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        Ooooh that was a great post the other day. About screwing over your landlord using the legal system. I would talk to a lawyer before doing any of that, but it even said to do so.

      • scramplunge [comrade/them]
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        Landlords are often working class folks who read Rich Dad Poor Dad and learned how to exploit fellow working class people’s labor. The corporate class does not want to spend their resources renting out their land. They steal all our labor at work. Not to say their aren’t corporatists who are landlords, but that’s not the majority of landlords. The landlords in the U.S. may not have tons of capital, but because they aren’t in poverty and can control people’s lives they are willing to hold onto the power with a death grip.

        Chinese landlords weren’t rich slave owners like in the west, but they the still abused the peasants and refused to allow them to get a proper education or fair pay and often worked them to death. So even though they weren’t rich, they also weren’t peasants.

  • KiaKaha [he/him]
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    Towards a Protracted People’s War in the Florida Everglades

    We live in dark times. The Trump-Pence regime is working rapidly to consolidate its agenda of mass incarceration, mass deportation, and constant imperialist war. For its countless victims, America has always been a living nightmare—a colonial plantation state built on slavery and the genocide of people of color. Today, it is slipping into fascism, and millions of people are about to suffer the consequences.

    What is to be done? The Democratic Party offers no hope for significant political change, and neither do the constellation of reformist and revisionist “left” groups like the Greens. The only way we can fight back against Trump is through a concerted struggle of the masses that will overthrow the bourgeoisie and put the people in power to construct a new socialist order.

    As Maoists, we operate within the philosophical framework of Marxism-Leninism, the science of revolution. The time has come for us to dialectically analyze the material conditions of the Trump presidency and act decisively in the interests of the masses. Drastic times call for drastic measures. As the Black Panthers taught us, sometimes you have to pick up the gun to put it away. In 2017, the stakes have never been higher. We need a resistance with teeth, and the only way we can build that is through a people’s army and a protracted people’s war.

    “You know I envy you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast” —Che Guevara

    For far too long, we have ignored the possibility of revolution in the United States and focused all our attention on the Third World. But imperialism can never fall until we strike it at its source. All the great national liberation movements in Cuba, China, and Vietnam won through slow, painstaking guerilla tactics. To build people power here in the United States, we should emulate their struggles and begin a similar revolutionary project. How can this task be accomplished? It may seem impossible. The United States has the most powerful military in the world and it has not seen a major domestic conflict since the Civil War. But history and geography offer us an inspiration that points to Florida.

    For decades, the Florida Seminoles were a beacon of freedom and resistance to white supremacy. They defended their land from encroaching settlers and offered shelter to fugitive slaves, who became known as Black Seminoles. In 1835, they refused to be sent on the Trail of Tears, took up arms against Andrew Jackson’s genocidal deportation efforts, and waged a resistance war against U.S. imperialism. They hid under cover of the Everglades, using guerilla tactics to keep the American troops at bay. The Black Seminoles fought by their side, as did hundreds of local slaves who revolted, setting their plantations on fire and joining the struggle. It took nearly seven years for the rebellion to be crushed. It was America’s bloodiest, most expensive Indian war, and it was also one of the largest slave revolts in American history.

    Even though they were eventually defeated, we should remember the Seminoles’ heroic example. From a scientific standpoint, their war can be viewed as a great national liberation struggle with important implications for the modern fight against Trump. Their efforts were made possible not only through their bravery, but also by the terrain of the Florida Everglades. The natural shelter of the wetlands made them an ideal location for an outnumbered, outgunned force to build a strong guerilla presence.

    The Everglades have hardly disappeared—half of the land in the region remains undeveloped. We should use this to our advantage, bringing revolution to America by making it the center of a new protracted people’s war. This scheme may seem pointless, even daft at first glance. But upon further dialectical examination, it is very much pragmatic and achievable. We will outline below how such a scenario could play out.

    The struggle could begin with just three or four focos (small revolutionary groupings as described by Che Guevara) establishing permanent camps in the swampiest, most isolated parts of the Everglades—areas seldom penetrated by tourists. This would not be difficult. For shelter, the revolutionaries could use small, semi-submerged boats camouflaged with sticks, leaves, and mud. Each group could be as small as four people (though larger sizes would be ideal). Two fighters would maintain a constant presence at the base, and the other two would maintain lives in the outside world. To raise money to fund the base, they would take jobs or sell scrap metal, ideally in the surrounding area. They would travel to the camp regularly and keep their comrades stocked with food, weapons, and other important supplies. On a frugal budget, these outposts could be maintained on less than two thousand dollars a month.

    “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea” —Mao Zedong

    Once the bases were fully operational, the groupings would begin their political work. It is vital that our guerilla forces not become isolated in their camps. For any chance of victory, a revolutionary force must move swiftly to build a firm relationship with the masses, in both the cities and the countryside. Without strong support from the workers and peasants, a people’s army becomes impotent and highly vulnerable to imperialist repression.

    To achieve this end, the first task of a people’s army is to make its presence known to the masses. Our Everglades focos would accomplish this by planting red flags all over the wetlands, clearly marking the area as their territory. They could also install loudspeakers at strategic locations and blast propaganda that could be heard for miles. Modern renditions of songs from the Cultural Revolution could be played on the loudspeakers 24/7, which would do a great deal to raise class consciousness. Titles could include “Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New Florida” and “The East Coast is Red.”

    Next, the people’s army would begin to reach out to the locals. There are many lucrative farms in the Everglades region, a legacy of the South’s racist plantation economy. Many of the workers on these farms are undocumented immigrants, exploited and bound to the land through their lack of legal avenues for employment. Dialectically, we should view this class formation as an authentic neo-peasant stratum. The focos of our army should target this important group for recruitment, and in doing so protect them from Donald Trump’s deportation agenda. Our guerillas will emerge out of the swamplands and infiltrate the surrounding countryside, assisting these peasants in the fields to gain their trust and support. After consulting with them to develop a mass line, we will induct them into our ranks, stage an insurrection against the growers, burn their farms to the ground, and then return to our Everglades bases with thousands of new comrades.

    After this initial attack, the people’s war will pass into its first major phase, which Mao describes as “the period of the enemy's strategic offensive and our strategic defensive.” Massive state repression will come down on the revolutionary forces. They will do everything in their power to hunt down our army and brutally rout it. During this phase, we will not have the equipment or the experience necessary for direct confrontation with the military. We will have to focus our efforts on concealing and fortifying our camps against the massive search efforts that will take place. Meanwhile, we will train our new recruits in the art of guerilla warfare and have them study the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism, with an emphasis on the works of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

    During this period, our forces will generally be confined to the safety of the hidden bases and mobilizations will be limited. Even so, a revolutionary must always commit himself to serving the people, no matter where he is. This is a non-negotiable principle, and if we fail to uphold it, the peasants and proletariat will never flock to our ranks. While we are in hiding in the wetlands, our focos could maintain their dedication to serving the people by killing off invasive pests in the region, particularly pythons. This brave campaign would win our army a great deal of public adoration, and by selling the python skins we could raise substantial funds for the war effort.

    Due to its swelled numbers, the people’s army will desperately need more food, clothing, and weaponry. Throughout our strategic defensive, it will be critical for our forces to develop new supply lines. As activists from Belle Glade, FCF members have witnessed firsthand the poverty and alienation that many communities on the outskirts of the Everglades face. With a vigorous propaganda campaign, Belle Glade and other towns like it would quickly become sympathetic to our cause. Residents could send our focos cash, small arms, and other basic necessities, along with information on enemy movements. Nearby Seminole reservations like Big Cyprus would be particularly intrigued by the struggle, and might even become a primary source of additional recruits.

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      However, the most important task during this phase will be for the people’s army to cement an alliance with Cuba. Excluding the DPRK, Cuba is the last great Communist state, with a noble history of proletarian internationalism. When Angola needed his assistance, Fidel Castro answered the call. His brother Raul will be eager to answer ours. Cuba could provide the people’s army with invaluable resources, including tanks, missiles, heavy weaponry, fighter jets, and military advisors. They could also help our forces secure aid from Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and the DPRK. Once these arrangements have been made, it will be crucial for our forces to gain a strategic foothold in Everglades City. This town is located on the gulf coast and would be a perfect location for Cuban supply ships to land at. After this shipping route is secured, the people’s war will escalate to the second stage: strategic stalemate.

      “Take small and medium cities and extensive rural areas first; take big cities later.” —Mao Zedong

      As its resources improve, the people’s army becomes increasingly ready to fuse the focos together to form larger units, engaging with the enemy directly to seize actual territory. As Mao explains, this process must begin with the capture of minor urban centers. In Florida, this would include entail first taking control of all the land in the Everglades, and then seizing all towns that are south of Tampa and east of Miami. This advancement must be rapid; because at the same time the bourgeoisie will erupt in terror and attempt to consolidate its forces in preparation for the final showdown.

      There is a reason for the Everglades’ strategic value that has not yet been discussed: it is close in proximity to the Greater Miami Area, a sprawling urban metropolis. As the people’s army expands out of the Everglades, it will be in an excellent position to encircle this region, which is home to six million people. As it pushes closer and closer to the Miami area, the people’s war will transition to its final stage: the strategic offensive. City and countryside will be brought into tremendous dialectical tension. U.S. military forces will withdraw to Miami in a desperate effort to defend their last important stronghold in the Sunshine State. They will fight tooth and claw to protect it from us.

      To counter this effort, we will use a very new set of tactics. For the first time, the people’s army will commence mass struggles in the cities, and not just sparsely populated locations. It should not be difficult for our army to mobilize Miami residents. Many of them are people of color who are already familiar with Communism. We will call a general strike, and thousands of workers will take to the streets to support the revolution. At the same time, we will infiltrate and fraternize with the U.S. military to encourage mass defections. As we enter the city, the military will be hamstringed and unable to shoot at our forces without cutting down throngs of civilians. When this occurs, morale will disappear and the enemy’s ability to resist our offensive will collapse.

      The world will be turned upside down when our tanks roll triumphantly into the streets of Miami. Throngs of workers will gather together, singing the Internationale as we erect a statue of Che Guevara in Little Havana. Meanwhile, our army will move swiftly to cement its control over the city by weeding out all reactionaries. We will round up hundreds of first-generation Cuban exiles and send them to reeducation camps in the wetlands. Their properties will be confiscated and turned into revolutionary munitions factories.

      With Miami in the people’s hands, the rest of Florida will yield within weeks. A People’s Republic of Florida will be announced on the steps of the Tallahassee Capitol Building. All nuclear warheads in the state will be seized, securing an ironclad deterrent against imperialist invasion. All banks and factories will be expropriated and nationalized, and the construction of the socialist order will begin.

      Working and oppressed people everywhere will rally when they learn that the mass struggle is gaining ground in the United States. The new government in Florida will give massive aid to all oppressed nations, especially the DPRK. It will also send arms to revitalize the FARC, the Shining Path, the Communist Party of the Philippines, the Naxalites, and other Third World liberation movements. At the same time, it will expand the revolution within the U.S. by forming new divisions of the people’s army in the Rockies, the Appalachians, and the Great Dismal Swamp. Because of the nuclear deterrent, the U.S. imperialists will be powerless to stop these advances. The international proletariat and neo-peasantry will fight on, continuing their struggle until the red flag flies over every country.

      This vision can become a reality, but only if we fight for it. It will all begin in the humble swamps of the Everglades. When should we establish our people’s army? Now, and not one moment later! The FCF calls on all true Marxist-Leninists in the United States to move to Florida and immediately begin preparations to set up camps. When the first hidden base in the Everglades is established, its leader should issue a public announcement, establishing their foco as the steering committee of the people’s army. Under the principles of democratic centralism, all future focos must strictly subordinate themselves to this central body. As Ho Chi Minh once remarked, “the man who first steps forward is the best to lead the charge.”

      Many “revolutionary” parties will object to this arrangement on the grounds that they must first build up their organizational capacity before they commence any significant class struggle or people’s war. This is a grotesquely revisionist position. At the beginning of a class conflict, the party does not organize the struggle—the struggle organizes the party. As the masses fight for their interests in dialectical tension with the bourgeoisie, the vanguard party begins to manifest itself as an organic formation of the most radical and militant workers. Ergo, for a vanguard party of any significance to emerge in the United States, there must first be a pre-existing trend towards the escalation of the mass struggle. This trend will not be initiated on its own. It can only emerge through the conscious activities of a people’s army in a protracted people’s war. As Che Guevara observed, “the revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall.”

      “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” —V.I. Lenin

      Lenin understood that revolutionary actions must be initiated in short periods of tremendous opportunity. That opportunity has arrived for us. Throughout this text, the FCF has clearly demonstrated that a people’s war in Florida is the only path forward by which the American proletariat can begin to organize a liberatory revolution to seize power. The sun is rising over the Everglades, and the future beckons to us. We must dare to struggle and dare to win!

      The power of our enemies is daunting, and our sacrifice will be tremendous. But it will all be worth it in the end, for we have no fear of death. We embrace martyrdom with open arms—to die for the people is weightier than Mount Tai! Focos, join our struggle; focos, unite! You have nothing to lose but your lives.


      Drafted by John Horse II (pseudonym) of the Florida Communist Front Adopted unanimously on June 1, 2017, by the FCF general body

      • scramplunge [comrade/them]
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        Study: Miami Beach, Florida Keys Could Be Underwater Within 30 Years

        Time is a ticking. Also, how is this not anarchism? Because they are offering an open seat for the first leader who puts up their hand? I love to see revolutionary fronts from sea to shining sea, but this has “We are the one true leftist group” vibes all over it. Good luck to them!

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    When landlord raise rent I go Mao mode or something (idk I can't read theory)

  • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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    Maoism in america would be if like people inside the inner city slums killed their slumlord and successfully pushed back the police one neighborhood at a time. The black panthers considered themselves maoist.

    This isn't effective because of just how organized the police are.

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    I don't think peasants revolt gonna work as Americans are essentially processed chips in a tube. lumpen might work however, well I guess.