Tanks are supposed to operate in groups with close support from infantry. The iof infantry are cowards who don't have the stomach for genocide when they have to do it in person on the ground. Thus the tank's are unsupported, leaving them vulnerable to incredible heroics like this.
The iof infantry are cowards who don't have the stomach for genocide
I think it's less that, and more that the iof is actually quite incompetent militarily because they're actually just a colonial police force with way too much fancy gear. Can't find it now but some guy on r/TrueAnon had a good write up about how when the US did joint operations with the iof the US officers kept getting pissed off at iof soldiers doing tactically stupid cowboy bullshit with expensive military equipment. As cowboy as the US military itself can be it seems even the iof were too much for them.
the iof are competent at murdering civilians indiscriminately, which is their main purpose. they are complete dogshit at counter-insurgency, their ostensible purpose.
Yeah, but at a certain point you'd figure high command would start worrying about how many combat ready tanks they have if politicians are gonna force them to prepare for attack on Lebanon.
Agreed, but they are fascists in a perilous political situation, running an army of conscript mall cops. I think they have a lot of room for self-owns. They've got a significant number of religious and nationalist fanatics to appease, and a lot of those fanatics refuse to fight leading to additional internal contradictions and friction.
That is a ridiculous low number of reported casualties, I'd honestly expect more from people tripping over or dropping things given the scale of conflict o_O
There's actually a reason for that, the Israeli tanks can't have infantry support standing in the direction of expected fire, because their own Trophy APS (detect incoming explosives, fires what is basically explosive buckshot in the direction to trigger the explosive before it connects with the tank) will tear said infantry apart. If an RPG is fired at an Israeli tank, coming from the left side, the Trophy System will fire the explosives towards the projectile, explosion occurs, your infantry support on that side of the tank are most likely very dead. If not from catching strays from the trophy system then the prematurely detonated ordinance.
Infantry can only be stationed on sides that there cannot possibly be enemy fire. In a field, facing the enemy, you can have infantry on the sides. In an urban environment, you simply don't deploy infantry with your tanks.
Apparently the trophy system has a reload time of 1.5 seconds, and the faster the projectile the less likely it is able to detect it and fire.
The closer the the projectile the less effective the trophy system is. A Javelin fired from 500 meters is probably going to trigger it, an RPG from 25 meters is not.
The on board computer has to detect, analyse, predict then fire countermeasures, which it may not have time to do if you pop out and 🔻🔻🔻 the tank and duck back down.
Fascists love their Vundervvaffen. We're going to build a tank so high tech that it can't participate in basic tank doctrine or effectively engage in urban warfare!
NATOs absolute, unthinking, blind confidence in air power is going to be one of those things historians puzzle over once someone figures out how to 3d print an S600 or some shit.
NATO's idea of a future conflict being just "WWII with better planes and gadgets like drones" probably stems from all the Axis officers in NATO during its inception. Air superiority didn't win Vietnam, nor Korea, not Afghanistan, nor is it currently helping off the coast of Yemen. But they can't change course now, capital has its grips on the industry and expensive planes that can't fly in the rain or VTOL aircraft like Ospreys falling out of the sky be damned.
What air superiority is good for are indiscriminate war crimes, though, so they'll continue to do that. From the jungles of Vietnam to the streets of Gaza.
Thing is, infantry wouldn't be walking right next to the tank if you're expecting infantry with anti armor to be hiding in the rubble or buildings. They'd deploy first into areas with lots places that an ambush could be waiting with the tank hanging back.
If the infantry find something that needs the tank's main gun, its called up. If the infantry gets pinned down and the rest of the infantry platoon can't free up their pinned down squad the tank can be called forward to lay down suppressing fire if air support, artillery or mortars can't be used.
are cowards who don't have the stomach for genocide
turns out this is basically anyone - the Nazis found that their initial enactment of the final solution (firing squads mostly) was hindered by the psychological impact it had on the soldiers doing it - hence why they tried to find more 'indirect' methods of murder, resulting in the gas chambers
This is one of my favourite little factoids about the subject, that the big hard nazis with their fascism STILL couldn't fucking stomach doing warcrimes.
Tanks are supposed to operate in groups with close support from infantry. The iof infantry are cowards who don't have the stomach for genocide when they have to do it in person on the ground. Thus the tank's are unsupported, leaving them vulnerable to incredible heroics like this.
I think it's less that, and more that the iof is actually quite incompetent militarily because they're actually just a colonial police force with way too much fancy gear. Can't find it now but some guy on r/TrueAnon had a good write up about how when the US did joint operations with the iof the US officers kept getting pissed off at iof soldiers doing tactically stupid cowboy bullshit with expensive military equipment. As cowboy as the US military itself can be it seems even the iof were too much for them.
the iof are competent at murdering civilians indiscriminately, which is their main purpose. they are complete dogshit at counter-insurgency, their ostensible purpose.
Yeah, but at a certain point you'd figure high command would start worrying about how many combat ready tanks they have if politicians are gonna force them to prepare for attack on Lebanon.
Agreed, but they are fascists in a perilous political situation, running an army of conscript mall cops. I think they have a lot of room for self-owns. They've got a significant number of religious and nationalist fanatics to appease, and a lot of those fanatics refuse to fight leading to additional internal contradictions and friction.
Speaking of self owns, a reported 49 of the IOF's 278 casualties are from friendly fire lmao
IIRC that is actually a better ratio for them than it was earlier on
That is a ridiculous low number of reported casualties, I'd honestly expect more from people tripping over or dropping things given the scale of conflict o_O
Nobody tell them nothing
Let them think they can take it without a fight
Drain the beast with a thousand cuts
There's actually a reason for that, the Israeli tanks can't have infantry support standing in the direction of expected fire, because their own Trophy APS (detect incoming explosives, fires what is basically explosive buckshot in the direction to trigger the explosive before it connects with the tank) will tear said infantry apart. If an RPG is fired at an Israeli tank, coming from the left side, the Trophy System will fire the explosives towards the projectile, explosion occurs, your infantry support on that side of the tank are most likely very dead. If not from catching strays from the trophy system then the prematurely detonated ordinance.
Infantry can only be stationed on sides that there cannot possibly be enemy fire. In a field, facing the enemy, you can have infantry on the sides. In an urban environment, you simply don't deploy infantry with your tanks.
Apparently the trophy system has a reload time of 1.5 seconds, and the faster the projectile the less likely it is able to detect it and fire.
in all this time we have never seen a video where an RPG triggers the trophy system
I can't be alone in suspecting that it doesn't work very well
its minimum activation range is something like 50 meters or so, and most of the footage ive seen so far has seemed inside that range
The closer the the projectile the less effective the trophy system is. A Javelin fired from 500 meters is probably going to trigger it, an RPG from 25 meters is not.
The on board computer has to detect, analyse, predict then fire countermeasures, which it may not have time to do if you pop out and 🔻🔻🔻 the tank and duck back down.
Umm ... why would they design a tank which cannot have infantry support? Doesn't that make them basically useless?
Fascists love their Vundervvaffen. We're going to build a tank so high tech that it can't participate in basic tank doctrine or effectively engage in urban warfare!
In an open desert with air support, it should be fine. In an urban environment against Guerilla fighters it's not.
But considering their main targets are ambulances and civilian cars, they'll still roll out the tanks anyway
NATOs absolute, unthinking, blind confidence in air power is going to be one of those things historians puzzle over once someone figures out how to 3d print an S600 or some shit.
NATO's idea of a future conflict being just "WWII with better planes and gadgets like drones" probably stems from all the Axis officers in NATO during its inception. Air superiority didn't win Vietnam, nor Korea, not Afghanistan, nor is it currently helping off the coast of Yemen. But they can't change course now, capital has its grips on the industry and expensive planes that can't fly in the rain or VTOL aircraft like Ospreys falling out of the sky be damned.
What air superiority is good for are indiscriminate war crimes, though, so they'll continue to do that. From the jungles of Vietnam to the streets of Gaza.
Guess it was too hard to put an "off" button on the things.
Good post, I hadn't considered that. Lol being self-owned by your own point defenses.
Thing is, infantry wouldn't be walking right next to the tank if you're expecting infantry with anti armor to be hiding in the rubble or buildings. They'd deploy first into areas with lots places that an ambush could be waiting with the tank hanging back.
If the infantry find something that needs the tank's main gun, its called up. If the infantry gets pinned down and the rest of the infantry platoon can't free up their pinned down squad the tank can be called forward to lay down suppressing fire if air support, artillery or mortars can't be used.
turns out this is basically anyone - the Nazis found that their initial enactment of the final solution (firing squads mostly) was hindered by the psychological impact it had on the soldiers doing it - hence why they tried to find more 'indirect' methods of murder, resulting in the gas chambers
This is one of my favourite little factoids about the subject, that the big hard nazis with their fascism STILL couldn't fucking stomach doing warcrimes.