the democrats win when the 'normal' ill-informed yankees turn out to vote, by being marginally less putrescent. the issue for Biden/Harris is not the feelings of those people who on average probably don't care, it's the organizations that can increase their turnout but will withhold their organizing efforts. those assholes that knock on doors & bus folks to the polls are ideological and informed, that's what the democrats are going to capitulate