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        It's a circle though. I'm not saying there's a ZOG lol. Just that the Israel lobby spreads cash around like crazy and I'm sure they're pouring lots into TPUSA especially considering universities are a hotbed of pro-palestine sentiment. Israel's relationship with the US is complex but neither really controls the other.

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            Israel has a lot more autonomy than other client states, I'd say it's more like a junior partner. Like Australia is a client state, but we don't have teachers in Texas being required to pledge allegiance to Australia as a condition of employment. Israel's massive influence in politics puts them in a unique position. I'd still say they're under the broader umbrella of Western Imperialism. People who think Israel is controlling America are idiots. Capital controls both of them.

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                The US gives Israel money but it's not like it's any substantial portion of their wealth. They make their money like any imperialist nation does. You're right about why Israelis and their Jewish and gentile supporters spend so much money on lobbying though. They're in a very precarious position that basically makes peace impossible.

                I think we agree on most things but are interpreting things differently. The dialectic between imperial core and the periphery isn't as cut and dry, especially wrt countries like Israel. I think there is a desire to consider them a puppet of america, but I think it's more complicated than that.

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            I mean I understand, liberals have weaponized accusations of antisemitism against anyone who criticizes or questions Israel and fascists have used disingenuously used Israeli lobbying as proof of a grand Jewish conspiracy. That sucks but you can't just ignore Israel and all the awful shit it does and the various levers of power it sounds a lot of money to influence. They're going to call us antisemites anyway, it's our responsibility to disprove that and ensure it doesn't arise out of anti-zionist sentiment.

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              I get that, it's just that I feel as though the Israel lobby is mostly gentile-controlled and guarded

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                I mean I have no idea but I'm still going to call it the Israel lobby because it is in fact pushing for their interests. I don't really care if it's controlled by Jews or gentiles, I care about what it does and the effects it has on the world.