It's kind of amazing how western media continues to avoid discussing the elephant in the room. Just such a mystery why the living standards are collapsing after the proxy war with Russia started.
I agree in spirit to some extent, but Ukraine is not the reason living standards are collapsing. It's small change, and making it out to be too large just gives them an excuse to keep doing what they're doing once the war ends.
Not that we have a media apparatus or anything, but exaggerating the negative impacts of things you want to put a stop to is just good messaging. And I'm sure if you drilled down far enough you'd agree that the system of imperialism being carried out in conflicts like this is plenty responsible for bad living standards, even in the countries on the extractive side of the equation
Fair enough. I've just spoken to some people recently who really think that Ukraine itself is the problem and the solution is going back to how we did things in 2021 and it left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. I should not let those people be representative of anyone else's opinions.
It's the economic war with Russia that's doing the real damage. Europe lost access to cheap resources and a large market. All the decoupling that happened since the war started was very damaging to European businesses.
Well, to an extent the gas pipeline not being accessible to Europe has fucked it over, but as for the living standards it's just regular old capitalism sucking everything dry. There's less profit to be had by Europe from leeching off the third world now, so it's turning inward. We don't have a 'big tech' or 'cloud capitalism' presence. We have relatively little other meaningful industry.
As for Britain, finance is the only sector unaffected. Corporate overlords and monopolies are hollowing everything out. Look who is set to gain in Ukraine - JP Morgan were one of the first investors in 'repairing' the country.
Ukraine, bleh. Of course we could put that money elsewhere. And true, the money derived from it by financiers and so on will be turned inwards at home to assist in our repression . But Ukraine isn't the big cause of death for Europe.
The pipeline played a role, but also the whole economic war with the sanctions, businesses decoupling ,etc. All of that did massive economic damage to Europe. On top of it all, US opportunistically started poaching companies as well. So yeah, it is capitalism, but the war created a perfect excuse to ramp up austerity and do wild stuff people would've never allowed otherwise.
It's kind of amazing how western media continues to avoid discussing the elephant in the room. Just such a mystery why the living standards are collapsing after the proxy war with Russia started.
I agree in spirit to some extent, but Ukraine is not the reason living standards are collapsing. It's small change, and making it out to be too large just gives them an excuse to keep doing what they're doing once the war ends.
Not that we have a media apparatus or anything, but exaggerating the negative impacts of things you want to put a stop to is just good messaging. And I'm sure if you drilled down far enough you'd agree that the system of imperialism being carried out in conflicts like this is plenty responsible for bad living standards, even in the countries on the extractive side of the equation
Fair enough. I've just spoken to some people recently who really think that Ukraine itself is the problem and the solution is going back to how we did things in 2021 and it left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. I should not let those people be representative of anyone else's opinions.
It's the economic war with Russia that's doing the real damage. Europe lost access to cheap resources and a large market. All the decoupling that happened since the war started was very damaging to European businesses.
Well, to an extent the gas pipeline not being accessible to Europe has fucked it over, but as for the living standards it's just regular old capitalism sucking everything dry. There's less profit to be had by Europe from leeching off the third world now, so it's turning inward. We don't have a 'big tech' or 'cloud capitalism' presence. We have relatively little other meaningful industry.
As for Britain, finance is the only sector unaffected. Corporate overlords and monopolies are hollowing everything out. Look who is set to gain in Ukraine - JP Morgan were one of the first investors in 'repairing' the country.
Ukraine, bleh. Of course we could put that money elsewhere. And true, the money derived from it by financiers and so on will be turned inwards at home to assist in our repression . But Ukraine isn't the big cause of death for Europe.
The pipeline played a role, but also the whole economic war with the sanctions, businesses decoupling ,etc. All of that did massive economic damage to Europe. On top of it all, US opportunistically started poaching companies as well. So yeah, it is capitalism, but the war created a perfect excuse to ramp up austerity and do wild stuff people would've never allowed otherwise.
Mm, yes that's true. I guess I just felt that it would all happen in time anyway regardless.
For sure, the direct of travel hasn't changed, the war just acted as a catalysts to speed things up.