So tired of concern-trollers saying shit like "oh the uncreative recipes are why people hate vegans" "people hate vegans because they're white single-issue activists" "people hate vegans because they're annoying" "people hate vegans because the food is bad" like 1. literally none of those things are even true and 2. even if they were it's not why people hate vegans.
also somewhat unrelated but i'm going to soapbox about substitutions: complaining about vegan substitutions is almost always anti-vegan unless it's a person having specific qualms with a specific thing. but there are people who will shit on substitutions as a whole concept and pretend they're so original and have the highest opinions of food ever created. like I'm sick and tired of non-vegans (and vegans too) complaining about tofu being used as a substitute in a lot of vegan dishes. just let people enjoy their goddamn food in peace.
Vegans:
Non-vegans: HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW VEGANS ALWAYS BRING UP VEGANISM OUTNOF NOWHERE?!
I’ve had more people try to challenge me on being vegan than me preaching it to them. I have to tell them that it’s a diet my doctor Recommended because of my hereditary high cholesterol then they usually shut up.
Carnists will shove animal products in our faces and then say we're the annoying ones.
You made me question the morality of using animal products. This is why people hate vegans.Agreed, it's not like I went vegan cause meat tastes bad. Gimme some of that wet sulphite n salt plz. And as I said in that thread, maybe it's not vegans, maybe you're a bad cook? The stuff I can throw together without animal products are so good you'll probably go blind. Meat is a lazy food that makes for lazy chefs, professionally anyone operating in the last 10 years or so get that vegan food is legit and there's a lot of interesting untapped ground and the trad creeps with their bullshit authentic French and Italian (American) stuff are getting wiped out cause working class to not going to Michelin rated restaurants often rich but still rich white people have broadened their pallet quite a bit over the last 20 years and stick in the mud bullshit just ain't flying vegan or otherwise. Even working non vegan places the chefs have been personally stoked to hear how to do stuff with seitan, tempeh, beans, heart of palms, whatever. Taught my 20 year experienced chef how to make good hummus like a week ago. So, yeah, even from an omni perspective they have no idea what they're talking about cause dudes who cook with meat generally are fuckimg with tofu and stuff as well cause a good chef isn't gonna ignore fantastic ingredients and dishes just cause there's no meat in play, that's juvenile and while owners still suck, kitchens are better and I can say working high level food, chefs who are really good at what they do and are on their shit are excited by new stuff they become aware of. They're wrong in every level here.
I've had a vegan crab patty that tasted basically indistinguishable from a non-vegan one, but no, that's an "uncreative substitution" per online food purists I guess. I saw a Chinese vegan restaurant make a vegan red braised pork belly from mushrooms and winter melon that was praised by omnis. The whole idea that vegans are ruining food is so funny to me because vegan restaurants are a growing market everywhere, even non-vegans are starting to catch on. Like, everyone's starting to understand that the $15 plate from the local vegan restaurant tastes better than the $50 steakhouse.
Millenials are the chefs now and we were all hipsters that avoided any white food whenever we could to seem cool for years. Now if boomer owners could piss off, there would be a genuine change in how restaurants work. It's not even an anti capitalism angle here, it's the 20 year minimum age gap between owners and head chefs and those chefs are in their damn 40s, times have changed but money hasn't changed hands. I can confidently say, cooks and chefs would be more than happy to be more and more vegan, from a professional angle most of it is more fun and also you no longer have to worry about shelving veggies above meat, you can just wipe off a cutting board with a cloth before re-using instead of send it to the dish pit and you don't need different ones for meats and veggies, products last longer and the exchange is we make stuff that's more fun to make and omni cooks who I've shown stuff have said stuff like tofu and seitan feels really satisfying to nail down. It's novel and otherwise holy he'll veggies are just sooooo much easier to cut too. Straight chops, no saw, fast as hell, can often be handled by a robo coup
Veganism is annoying. For a carnist on hexbear, it's annoying being reminded that huge swaths of one's diet has such torturous horror at its foundation.
Yeah that post rubbed me the wrong way too, it felt more like just wanting to complain about vegans. People in the post already pointed out there's plenty of non creative and bland non vegan recipes out there, but we're just complaining about the one with a vegan substitute. The primary intention of substitutes is adhering to veganism, not to get as close the real thing as possible (though we'll try if we can).
E: lol oh wait that person was you, mb
lol dw, that post annoyed me a lot. the op is still trying to debatelord me after saying some weird anti-vegan and frankly rather racist shit that I reported.
My response usually goes 1 of 2 ways.
1 way general curiosity. How long have you been vegan? What are some of your favorite dishes? What's your challenges? How did you overcome them? All I respond to earnest and explain as best I can.
- People going wow idk how you could do it I could never. Or judging what I'm eating. Which always receives the same reply. "I enjoy knowing my meal didn't involve harming or slaughtering an animal over any extra enjoyment my tastes buds may have gotten." Which immediately usually starts something and then I just laugh at their defensiveness. Maybe not the best response. But I just find it generally rude as fuck to start judging what I'm eating.
Like I told people a few weeks back and then they wanted to get down to how aktshually eating honey does not harm bees. And I'm like I really do not care to debate you.
I got told the "this is why people hate [us] vegans" line by an apologist today simply because I said "Purchasing animal products is funding animal slaughter." You can't make this shit up. It was under a post condoning reducetarianism with this "totally, rational, pragmatic, and sensible middle ground" quote (written verbatim):
We need millions of people reducing their animal product intake rather than a few people doing things perfectly.
We need millions of people reducing the amount of racist acts they commit instead of just a few "perfect" anti-racists, right?
Apologists literally make my blood boil more than carnists a lot of times.
I am literally better than you, because you're a murdering piece of shit and I'm not.
