I did not call anyone a degenerate. The vast majority of people are not overweight because of mental disorders, but because of American culture being unhealthy as fuck. If you have a eating disorder, well yeah, you need therapy. But that isn't ultimately going to make you less fat.
So what's your point here? Just yell at people with addictions to stop being addicted? Does that work with porn addicts, with alcoholics, with people addicted to heroin?
You act like 70% in America is addicted to food. The vast majority is not. It's the fact that you get a fucking litre of coke with a fucking meal that makes you all fat.
Did I say that? Of course it needs to be changed. You solve absolutely nothing by being a prick about it like this, though.
Leftism is about sympathy and helping people. Not yelling at them like a fucking /pol/ bastard about things they know are a problem, but is incredibly difficult to break out of because of the capitalist systems which created the problem in the first place.
Like I said, you don't get somebody to stop smoking by acting like a fuck like this. You get people to stop smoking by punishing cigarette company execs and gradually banning the sale of cigarettes.
So, before we manage to change society, how is an individual right now, going to lose weight and change their eating habbits? What would be your advice for them?
Stop ignoring the point and acknowledge that being a prick like that does fuck all to help.
Again, would you tell somebody with a porn addiction to "stop fucking fapping more than you need, you dumbass. Then go on a date."
You're completely ignoring every single issue besides the most obvious one. "Go on a walk" is hard for people with depression because doing fucking anything is hard for depressed people. "Stop stuffing your face" is hard for people with addictions or binge eating issues for obvious reasons. Again, you don't solve anything by being a bastard about it.
You are right that I was an asshole. And for that I really do apologize. But I think the problem isn't all because of addiction and mental health. I think the root of the problem is toxic unhealthy culture normalizing overeating and consuming unhealthy stuff. Do people get addicted to eating in such a culture more often? Do depressed people take to eating as a coping mechanism in such a culture, yeah, they do.
Instead of telling people to "eat less", I've found it more productive to focus on other factors that could contribute to obesity and are far less vague and focused on shame. Your suggestion to talk walks and avoid sugar isn't necessarily bad, but it isn't really easy to put into action.
You do have to keep in mind that psychologically, shit's more complicated than just not doing the bad thing.
For example,
"I've found that avoiding anything that's more than 10% sugar is great. Processed foods with way too much sugar in it desensitizes the taste buds too, so now fruits taste much better to me."
"It helped me to sit down and read the ingredients of whatever I was putting into my body."
"Do you live somewhere with forest trails? Something I love doing is walking through them and looking for forage."
The difference is two-fold: It's immediately actionable and easy to envision oneself doing these things and even committing to them, and it's also not being a huge asshole about it in the process.
We need a new version of Godwin's Law, where as the conversation with an edgy internet kid goes on, the probability of the word 'strawmanning' being invoked approaches 1.
More free time so people can cook and exercise, more public education, better nutrition in schools and other public institutions, more access to athletic facilities/parks. You can't go for a walk every day if your town doesn't have side-walks. You can't just start eating healthy if your whole life people eat unhealthy around you and the food that is easiest to get is unhealthy.
What are you proposing as a solution to people eating too much unhealthy food with too little excercise?
Health care for people with binge eating disorders, not just "lol degenerate" /pol/ garbage.
I did not call anyone a degenerate. The vast majority of people are not overweight because of mental disorders, but because of American culture being unhealthy as fuck. If you have a eating disorder, well yeah, you need therapy. But that isn't ultimately going to make you less fat.
So what's your point here? Just yell at people with addictions to stop being addicted? Does that work with porn addicts, with alcoholics, with people addicted to heroin?
You act like 70% in America is addicted to food. The vast majority is not. It's the fact that you get a fucking litre of coke with a fucking meal that makes you all fat.
Yeah, you're right, that doesn't give children addictions to the sugars they've been exposed to their whole lives. Wow, genius.
So what's your solution to addiction? Keep doing it? And keep the culture of eating unhealthy shit going?
Did I say that? Of course it needs to be changed. You solve absolutely nothing by being a prick about it like this, though. Leftism is about sympathy and helping people. Not yelling at them like a fucking /pol/ bastard about things they know are a problem, but is incredibly difficult to break out of because of the capitalist systems which created the problem in the first place. Like I said, you don't get somebody to stop smoking by acting like a fuck like this. You get people to stop smoking by punishing cigarette company execs and gradually banning the sale of cigarettes.
So, before we manage to change society, how is an individual right now, going to lose weight and change their eating habbits? What would be your advice for them?
Stop ignoring the point and acknowledge that being a prick like that does fuck all to help.
Again, would you tell somebody with a porn addiction to "stop fucking fapping more than you need, you dumbass. Then go on a date."
You're completely ignoring every single issue besides the most obvious one. "Go on a walk" is hard for people with depression because doing fucking anything is hard for depressed people. "Stop stuffing your face" is hard for people with addictions or binge eating issues for obvious reasons. Again, you don't solve anything by being a bastard about it.
You are right that I was an asshole. And for that I really do apologize. But I think the problem isn't all because of addiction and mental health. I think the root of the problem is toxic unhealthy culture normalizing overeating and consuming unhealthy stuff. Do people get addicted to eating in such a culture more often? Do depressed people take to eating as a coping mechanism in such a culture, yeah, they do.
Instead of telling people to "eat less", I've found it more productive to focus on other factors that could contribute to obesity and are far less vague and focused on shame. Your suggestion to talk walks and avoid sugar isn't necessarily bad, but it isn't really easy to put into action.
You do have to keep in mind that psychologically, shit's more complicated than just not doing the bad thing.
For example,
"I've found that avoiding anything that's more than 10% sugar is great. Processed foods with way too much sugar in it desensitizes the taste buds too, so now fruits taste much better to me."
"It helped me to sit down and read the ingredients of whatever I was putting into my body."
"Do you live somewhere with forest trails? Something I love doing is walking through them and looking for forage."
The difference is two-fold: It's immediately actionable and easy to envision oneself doing these things and even committing to them, and it's also not being a huge asshole about it in the process.
Yeah I was being a huge cock. I realize. those are good tips.
"Food can't be addicting"
-Me, a genius
I never said that genius. Stop strawmanning my argument. Losing weight involves eating less. There is no way around that.
We need a new version of Godwin's Law, where as the conversation with an edgy internet kid goes on, the probability of the word 'strawmanning' being invoked approaches 1.
More free time so people can cook and exercise, more public education, better nutrition in schools and other public institutions, more access to athletic facilities/parks. You can't go for a walk every day if your town doesn't have side-walks. You can't just start eating healthy if your whole life people eat unhealthy around you and the food that is easiest to get is unhealthy.