cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5309499

After Biden's meltdown, the Democrats are hoping to reenergize people with a supposedly "progressive" pick for Kamala Harris' running mate.

  • Chronicon [they/them]
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    3 months ago

    yep, that's walz. He's one of the better dems in the country, or to put it another way, he's a spineless liberal bootlicker.

    Anyone who thinks Harris/Walz is an improvement for palestine is almost certainly wrong. Domestic issues idk, sure, maybe a bit better than crime bill author/student debt lover joe biden, but not meaningfully different besides just not being a 100% obvious bloodless ghoul on an interpersonal level (which doesn't matter materially even if it is true).

    His entire claim to fame besides coining the "weird" thing (which honestly could have been fabricated intentionally), is not somehow cocking up or vetoing the one halfway productive session of the MN legislature that's happened in the last few years (2023). Dem majorities in all branches of MN government, still compromised with republicans a bunch and then failed to get a bonding bill passed in '24 leaving a bunch of critical projects unfunded

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 months ago

      Walz mobilized the entire MN national guard to crush the 20 uprising.

      That should be everything the left, PoC, anyone who thinks fascism is bad needs to know.

      • Chronicon [they/them]
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        3 months ago

        what drives me crazy is how many people, if pushed, will admit they think it was a good thing. That it was more important to "restore order" by cracking down hard than it was to actually do anything about all the racist police murders happening all the time.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            3 months ago

            Yeah. He's proven that he'll actually send in troops when they're at risk of losing control or anything good might happen.

            • YEP [he/him]
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              3 months ago

              Have you like deluded yourself you were about to lead a revolution? You are non stop posting about the national guard cracking down. You live in the American police state that's what happens. I don't think walz is some based hero or some dumbass shit he is just a compromise. I just don't understand the point you are even trying to make.

              Edit: I don't mean to come off agro if I did

              • Chronicon [they/them]
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                3 months ago

                that's a pretty aggro comment yeah. If you have people who think they are leftists saying "hey this walz guy actually seems pretty good", throwing his piggishness and nature as a class traitor, in their faces is a good and normal response, and leading with personal experience is normal as well. A temporary loss of state control resulting in "something good" happening doesn't require a full on revolution. Minneapolis could have done a lot better than "well we convicted the piggies in this one incident and utterly refused to reform in any other way", and part of what stopped the momentum there was the national guard crackdown.

                Frankly if you weren't there why shit on a random comrade online about it? Nobody thought that was gonna be it for america, but there were ambitions to take it further.

                • YEP [he/him]
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                  3 months ago

                  I really don't think I'm trying to shit on them I apologized bc Im a hexbear poster, I come off as condescending when I don't mean to be.

                  My objection is the non stop pooping on people that are celebrating the Dems not picking aipacs favorite in Shapiro or some demon like buttigeg.

                  I'm not saying walz is breaking the mold of an American politician on this stuff, it is actually just a fresh of breath of fresh air compared to the zealotry of Biden and Trump and w/e. Like I pushed for walz among my lib friends who like people like buttigeg and shapiro bc their political media diet is like seeing a soundbite of a bog standard dem being like "isn't <insert neo nazi trump surrogate> crazy?". I'm not voting for them, I kinda like that they picked someone who didn't really compromise on things like lgbt legislation when he had a super slim majority as governor. I like that he was RELATIVELY dovish in Congress, voted against intervention in syria and against us aiding Saudis in Yemen ect. I'm not delusional and thing he is a brave anti imperialist. it literally the best that can happen in the imperial core.

                  It just feels like people are projecting everything that comes with living in the imperial core onto him. Please tell me if I'm off base.

                  • Chronicon [they/them]
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                    3 months ago

                    Walz is good for the dems electorally but that isn't necessarily good for the left. I think you are still a little too optimistic on Walz. Most of his accomplishments as governor are simply "he didn't veto a good thing the legislature did". Some things he actually championed and should get partial credit for but most not so much. "literally the best that can happen in the imperial core" is a huge stretch as well. In the current exact moment with the support of the DNC? sure maybe. But we need to be getting people to think outside the DNC not giving them a 50% more palatable ghoul to root for.

                    I assume you know all this but I think its probably important to not buy into the hype cycle around Walz.

                    • YEP [he/him]
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                      3 months ago

                      I thing your misreading my pessimism for America as optimism of walz. Shit is dire we are commiting genocide in broad daylight. I had never been more doomer than I was before Biden dropped out for context.

                      On his record as governor this is gonna prob come off as dumb wonk shit. Like you can point to his lt governor pushing him left but like he is championing these things publicly everywhere rather than shying away like every other dem. Look at Shapiro fighting his own party on things like school privatisation. I don't really see any evidence he doesn't believe this stuff. Even if he doesn't believe it I think we should be pushing his selection bc he can beade to compromise. I think the biggest reason to shit on lesser evil voting is the lesser evil in America is always someone who can't be pushed, it's useless. Walz, who will be president of a split Senate if the Dems can hold onto their 50 seats, I, yea maybe optimistic w/e, looks like he can be pushed.

                      On a more general sense the Dems not picking someone on the far right of the part is just such a shock to me personally idk.

        • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          We just had someone come over from .ml to Hexbear to say that a few days ago while claiming to be a leftist wtf

        • sloth [none/use name]
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          3 months ago

          I would rather have an outside force come in and restore order than letting two sides that hate each other escalate. I feel if Chauvin had been arrested sooner it would not have gotten to the point it did, but I'm not sure the Governor can just issue an arrest warrant and send the Marshals or whatever. Of course he could have done more with police reform, but I think he was up for re-election in 2020 2022. It's politics or something.

      • sloth [none/use name]
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        3 months ago

        Sure it wasn't a great response, however I could argue the NG actually were less violent and more restrained than the police would have been. Some of the NG were sincerely worried about killing people, not sure how many cops had that apprehension.