https://lemmy.world/post/18442816

    • Rania 🇩🇿@lemmygrad.ml
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      3 months ago

      In Islam he's another prophet, and Muslims believe Jesus will return in the final days. But they don't consider him a God or the son of God, so no "what will Jesus think of this" because he's not the one that they believe is the judge

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        3 months ago

        righr it doesn't really fit the "fanbase" thing, so i'm not sure what the comrade i replied to was getting at. i similarly wouldn't generalize christians as big moses fanboys

        • EllenKelly [comrade/them]
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          3 months ago

          To me a mythical figure within a religious canon fits the 'fanbase' thing. Considering how uptight christians are about the ten commandments I'd also consider them fans of moses.

          I was pointing out some hypocrisy because a good deal of racist christians are totally unaware jesus exists outside of their headcanon new testament

    • REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml
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      3 months ago

      I me Mekka, two graves are prepared and left empty for centuries. One is for the Mahdi, one is for Jesus when he returns to heaven.

    • EllenKelly [comrade/them]
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      3 months ago

      I was just thinking about the Ramy episode, sorry if i gave off the wrong impression comrade

    • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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      3 months ago

      I think there's a misunderstanding somewhere but I do know Muslims who give a shit about Jesus's position and doctrine.

      As others said, he is considered a prophet, and different Muslims may place more or less importance on him, but by virtue of being a prophet in Islam they can care very much about his position and doctrine. Yes, they don't consider Jesus to be God Incarnate but, outside of the Fourth Gospel, it wasn't Jesus's position either. So they actually mostly accept and believe in the Gospels, particularly the Synoptic ones. Some even believe in the Virgin Birth. Jesus's Divinity is not really relevant to most of his teachings. So you can say, and I know Muslims who say, that they "believe in Jesus."

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        3 months ago

        right but that's all church mosque-nerd shit isn't it? there are hundreds of characters in the stories and your average day to day adherent pays no mind to jeremiah, while an apologist or preacher will cite chapter and verse rather than thinking he was a bullfrog.

        and I know Muslims who say, that they "believe in Jesus."

        so does bart erhman. i don't think nominally believing in a historical or supporting-actor jesus (and phrasing it that way in the face of hegemonic christianity) puts you in the jesus "fanbase" as is meant by the .world dipshit meme

        • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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          3 months ago

          Nah, I don't think it's nerd shit. You can say that there are hundreds of characters but there are still not many characters who are at the same level of significance or who had as impactful a teaching.

          And, yeah, it doesn't obviously put them in the fundamentalist evangelical base that the meme is referring to but that wasn't my point. My point was to reply to what you said about not knowing or hearing about any Muslim who gave a shit about Jesus's position or doctrine, but now you also say that you had already heard about Muslims that do say they believe in Jesus through Bart Erhman so I guess you were being rhetorical.