Our definition is slightly different. We say socialism is when workers own the means of production and communism is a stateless classless utopia.
What we basically mean when we say the workers own the means of production is that the people who work at a place decide how its run and that noone profits off anyone else's labour, so noone who doesn't work there collects a paycheck for doing jack shit and everyone who does work there gets a paycheck within one order of magnitude of each other.
I think that people are too smart and ambitious for that to ever work as intended. Classes and hierarchy are the natural states of mankind. It's in our blood to learn to game every system and put ourselves on top. I don't believe that a classless stateless uber-utopia is a bad thing, hell it sounds wonderful, i just believe that it can't be maintained. It's not in our nature to purposefully handicap ourselves, our families, or our communities for the benefit of others. It would be nice to live like that but it is not possible and will either lead to bloodshed in a vein attempt to maintain it, or more likely will devolve back into a class based society either through social developments, the natural accumulation of wealth; whether that be actual coinage, power, or just good old fashion hording of resources; or by the force of whoever has the biggest gun.
Why can't you watch her kid? You should always help family when you can.
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Mine is cute horses...
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Well Horsefucker1488 and IEatHorseAss911 got banned because i guess they're ebul nasees
Serious question, what's your working definition of socialism/communism?
They abolishment of private property and the collectivization of it within government control
That's a pretty good answer.
Our definition is slightly different. We say socialism is when workers own the means of production and communism is a stateless classless utopia.
What we basically mean when we say the workers own the means of production is that the people who work at a place decide how its run and that noone profits off anyone else's labour, so noone who doesn't work there collects a paycheck for doing jack shit and everyone who does work there gets a paycheck within one order of magnitude of each other.
Do you think that's a bad thing?
I think that people are too smart and ambitious for that to ever work as intended. Classes and hierarchy are the natural states of mankind. It's in our blood to learn to game every system and put ourselves on top. I don't believe that a classless stateless uber-utopia is a bad thing, hell it sounds wonderful, i just believe that it can't be maintained. It's not in our nature to purposefully handicap ourselves, our families, or our communities for the benefit of others. It would be nice to live like that but it is not possible and will either lead to bloodshed in a vein attempt to maintain it, or more likely will devolve back into a class based society either through social developments, the natural accumulation of wealth; whether that be actual coinage, power, or just good old fashion hording of resources; or by the force of whoever has the biggest gun.
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