I think we're all in agreement that organisers who end up clout chasing (like ??? just suck some politician's toes or something it'd be easier) aren't good for any social movement, but I think that what the OP and the OP's OP were referring to were legit just organisers in the sense of in labour as well as in protests
They also dragged my boy Fidel, and thats crossing the line
Slate.com just ran an interview with a historian of anarchism and he said he was first drawn to people like Mao and Ho but then realized that “revolutions always lead to worse regimes than they replaced” so he started looking into the Paris Commune and CNT/FAI. Successful revolutions are never pure enough.
Reminds me of a friend's mum who went to Vietnam. For context, she really despises Mao. The friend and the dad wanted to go to Ho's mausoleum, and she refused to go on the basis that he was a horrible communist dictator. She still didn't want to go after it was told to her that he died before Vietnam was even unified. She even said that he wouldve committed atrocities if he as alive when it was reunified on the basis of him being a communist. Tbh, I'm not even sure if you can really pin anything on Ho that isn't a fabrication anyway
I was just reading What Is To Be Done by lenin last night and he specifically talked about avoiding demogauges who were just there to be popular but have no answers on the actual big picture struggle. So turns out lenin agrees!
I think we're all in agreement that organisers who end up clout chasing (like ??? just suck some politician's toes or something it'd be easier) aren't good for any social movement, but I think that what the OP and the OP's OP were referring to were legit just organisers in the sense of in labour as well as in protests
They also dragged my boy Fidel, and thats crossing the line
Slate.com just ran an interview with a historian of anarchism and he said he was first drawn to people like Mao and Ho but then realized that “revolutions always lead to worse regimes than they replaced” so he started looking into the Paris Commune and CNT/FAI. Successful revolutions are never pure enough.
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Reminds me of a friend's mum who went to Vietnam. For context, she really despises Mao. The friend and the dad wanted to go to Ho's mausoleum, and she refused to go on the basis that he was a horrible communist dictator. She still didn't want to go after it was told to her that he died before Vietnam was even unified. She even said that he wouldve committed atrocities if he as alive when it was reunified on the basis of him being a communist. Tbh, I'm not even sure if you can really pin anything on Ho that isn't a fabrication anyway
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I was just reading What Is To Be Done by lenin last night and he specifically talked about avoiding demogauges who were just there to be popular but have no answers on the actual big picture struggle. So turns out lenin agrees!