That sub is mostly pretty boring these days, but ocassionally they come through with a cringe masterpiece like this.
Context point out that they don't mean just any pacifism but the specific lib brand of pacifism where all wars are bad except the ones currently waged by US empire (remember that libs don't believe USA is involved in Palestine genocide).
I wonder if their dad mentioned the Donbas genocide. This kid is trying to say their dad believes IDF-esque propaganda with regard to Putin but fails to mention the context of the war. The dad either didn’t mention it, which would be an error, or he did and his shitty kid is just omitting that info. I wonder how old this person is because, no offence to teenagers, they have the energy of a typical teenager that thinks they have everything figured out but really they know absolutely nothing. I know I was like that as a kid (not nearly as bad as this person but I was misinformed about America’s enemies, thanks John Oliver) and it’s embarrassing to look back on. Kids need to stay humble and curious, because they’re growing and still learning and thats okay.
Yeah, youth is a very vulnerable time. I used to be that kid, too, that thought at 17 he had figured out most of what life was about. Thankfully, like you, I wasn't as bad as this lad, but still, it sure is embarrassing to think back on.
This is a wee off topic but the ongoing coup in Venezuela has been very illustrative. On the 29th, after an uneventful election day on the 28th, riots began to form in small groups around the country, and these were mostly kids, and literal shitheads, as in criminals. It was very similar to the HK riots, where droves of youth were misled thanks to their British colonial education and social media. Old folks from Hong Kong knew better because they either lived through the Brit bullshit or had direct family that did. The same happens in Venezuela to an extent, the old people are aware of what the 4th Republic was and the rights they fought for that led to the Bolivarian Revolution. This is very common in post-socialist or AES countries, where kids can be misled easily, because all they've known has been life under socialist governments or have grown in a post-socialist landscape where socialism is blamed for everything. Our Eastern European comrades can attest to that. This is of course, on top of the capitalist propaganda we're subjected to.
So, as with Milei, the youth were central to his election, and the youth have been the focus of fascist rhetoric through social media for quite some time. Without a revolutionary education to channel the energy of youth, it will decay into reaction against everything they've known. It is this misdirection that we broke with. But thanks, I wanted an excuse to develop that angle of how important social media is in indoctrinating youth.
Having issue finding anything in English stating anything other than the Donbas genocide being a smokescreen to justify Russia's invasion. For reference, I'm searching using searx which anonymously gathers info. Do you have any links to publications about it with supporting evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1GV2TC/
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
These are just pieces. You're not going to find any western mainstream media outlet disputing the propaganda narrative and putting together a huge dossier of Ukraine's crimes. We see right now people like the weapon's inspector who blew the whistle on Bush lying about WMD's in Iraq being harassed by the FBI just for daring to take Russia's side, anyone who does so is tarred and feathered as a Russian asset. Look no further than the uniformity in downplaying 'israeli' crimes in occupied Palestine, the one-sided narrative that suits those committing genocide that is onmipresent in mainstream western press to see how easily and nakedly this can occur.
Fact is the west decided which side they were on a while ago. Once the war started any room for pointing out the Nazis and the little issues in Ukraine's WW2 era Nazi collaborator worshiping, Russian hating regime was completely removed, subtle prods from journos for reform with exposes were now tantamount to treason, to siding with Russia and justifying their pretext and thus silenced.
Also forgive me but WHAT THE FUCK IS a smokescreen genocide? Is it or isn't it? I'm personally not sure it rises quite to genocide but it definitely rose to ethnic and cultural persecution of an extreme level that included actual violence, horrific human rights abuses, deploying absolute depraved monsters to do every manner of sick, vile, criminal human rights abuses imaginable to the Russian identifying people in eastern Ukraine who rejected what looked like to them (and what most of us and many impartial realists maintain was a coup helped by the US) a regime put in place to escalate tensions with Russia for the purpose of 1) hurting Russia and weakening an adversary, 2) pressuring Europe to decouple from cheap Russian gas for US gas, among a litany of other benefits for the US including dangling a threat over them to keep them in line and close behind them under NATO.
The postmortem on all this with all the evidence won't be written until the war is over with Russia actually victorious. If Russia accepts an negotiated truce many of these facts will remain disputed for decades more with the Russians having extensive evidence, reporting, etc on all this which is rejected by the west as propaganda.
Edit And I should state the oppression of Russians was a piece of it, it gave them a causus belli (why would Ukraine do that? again this is a bad thing, bad nations do this). As was the extensive presence of Nazis and fascists in their government, army, intelligence, etc. The real issue though is NATO bringing in Ukraine and parking nukes that can hit Moscow with 6-10 minutes warning time. That's not enough time to run in and wake up the president, let him rub sleep from his eyes and press a proverbial button. That's aggressive. That's aggression. The US lost it's mind when the USSR parked nukes in Cuba (nukes that would have taken I believe 20-30 minutes to hit Washington) and by the way those were only placed there in response to the US first placing nukes in Turkey pointing at Russia's underbelly. Russia is a nation that for centuries has been invaded and attacked through the Ukraine. Now a belligerent wants to place weapons that could decapitate it's command and control in an instant just for want of one failure in acting a minute too slow and you expect them to be okay with this?
Why does NATO, a cold war alliance need to expand east since Russia is no longer the USSR or communist? It must be because it's explicitly a tool of US power, because it's a tool to keep Russia down and out. Russia tried to join NATO in the early 2000s, they made overtures of getting closer to the west but were rebuffed because the US does not want a strong Russia balancing out the power of the US and giving Europe a choice and more power themselves, they want Russia as a threat, Europe kept in line by a threat, etc.
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DA JOOS - I mean (((zionists)))
I would fully expect this casual erasure of anticolonial Jews from conservatives, but seeing a presumable socialist take part in it almost enrages me. Don’t anti‐Zionist Jews deserve a chance to be heard, instead of being dismissed out of hand with fake statistics like ‘99% of Jews are Zionist’ or some other bullshit excuse? I’m tired of it.
That tag is probably "ironic" only when they think they can't get away with it. That sub is probably full of actual neo-nazis.
That sub is probably full of actual neo-nazis.
It is for sure. I remember someone posting a screenshot from tankiejerk in which one of their users was asking why there were so many "far right opinions" there lol
like "hmm I wonder why this anti-communist sub I've joined has so many nazis in it. 🤷♂️ It's a mystery"
It is, every 3 months they have to pin another post that says "fascists aren't welcome btw"
99% Hitler making a "100% Hitler not welcome btw" sign energy
Your chance of finding them corresponds directly with how far down you explore the anti-communist iceberg.
How ungrateful do you have to be to complain when you have a dad that based.
"Son, I would kill legions of stormtroopers to avenge your death."
"Wow dad a bit problematic go fuck yourself."
Isn’t that the sub that whines about us like once a week and is otherwise a deserted shithole? Yeah.
Yeah, it's almost like a real-life meme, with the soyjack lib son saying, "akshually, being anti-west is bad," and the chad anti-imperialist dad saying "I love you and I'd join Hamas to protect you."
I knew a young guy at work who was this like in regards to the "common knowledge" thing. His mom came from the USSR and had positives view of it while he was born in the US, and he was like "Doesn't she know it was an awful dictatorship? Everyone knows that." Zero critical awareness even with the aid of having his own mom there to nudge him away from status quo narrative.
Yes, I remember that when I was growing up and getting interested in communism, conservative acquaintances used to very smugly tell me "just wait until you talk to people who actually lived under that system." Well, guess what? When I actually did, I heard a lot of favorable views of the USSR and the eastern bloc in general.
The libs have recognized this phenomenon, of course, and they now explain it by "false nostalgia through early traumatization" or some other such shit.
It's pretty convenient for liberals that anyone with anything positive to say about communism is an unacceptable source either due to not having experienced it or due to having experienced it.
Almost like some kind of unfalsifiable orthodoxy.
This somehow also applies to my having experienced capitalism my whole life, which you would think would give me some authority on the subject but actually apparently makes me biased and unreliable
Yeah if you're relatively successful under capitalism then what are you complaining about? And if you aren't then you're just envious.
The quote
In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
-- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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"My dad supports Putin" Translation: My dad knows Ukraine is a money laundering scheme and their government is full of Nazis.
Having kids is reactionary.
Not for any weird anti-natalist reason, just because when marxists have kids they always seem to turn into the biggest shitlibs imaginable.
Or: pretend to be a shitlib, and then when they react and become Marxist, go "so hey, Bobby, you know all those times I said I was out at the bridge club? I was going to Party meetings."
Either a bonding moment, or a "whoah dad is crazy" moment, depending on how you spin it.
Great, now you've got me hoping theres a slim chance this is what my parents have been doing, and theres a chance of them not being irredeemable reactionaries.
Kamala and buttigiegs dads are marxists so this checks out.
I remember when they were coping about us so hard, It's hilarious honestly.
Makes me wonder about the dad. Then again, it could just be Reddit / Discord culture brain worms.
Interesting you're calling Putin a nazi when Ukraine has an openly nazi battalion in their army.
Remember when Zelensky praised a Waffen SS member in Canada?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7sFxJbcYvg
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Meanwhile my claim that Putin is a nazi has to do with the fact that he is attacking neighboring countries and blowing up hospitals and schools like a nazi would.
You mean, like an American would? Except that Putin has been treating Ukraine as softly as possible, and his intervention is after having tried every possible route for peace. If Ukraine were being targeted by NATO- like what was seen in Yugoslavia, in Libya, in Iraq, in Syria, in Afghanistan, etc. the difference would be night and day.
You toss around the word nazi, while supporting and downplaying actual Nazis and deepthroating NATO propaganda. Makes you look like a real genocidal POS. Fuck you and fuck everything you stand for.
Go give a Hitler salute to Stepan Bandera and the azov battalion like the nazi you are, western ape.
Go ahead and provide a credible source for that claim if it’s so “Open.”
I suppose by "credible" you mean "mainstream" -- the same mainstream media that openly simps for Netanyahu and Israel. But even there, you can find it, though naturally it gets soft-pedalled. From a cursory search:
Neo-Nazi torchlit parade in Kiev:
Vancouver City News (repeats AP article, but shows the event was widely reported on)
Zelensky applauds SS veteran in the Candian Parliament:
Nazi elements in the Ukrainian military:
Most of these, predictably, present Nazis as "fringe" elements in Ukraine. But libs tarred Donald Trump as fascist on much less evidence than this; are you going to apply the same standard across the board?
Meanwhile my claim that Putin is a nazi has to do with the fact that he is attacking neighboring countries and blowing up hospitals and schools like a nazi would.
This is dumb western defeatism. Donbas is Gaza, if Gaza had a powerful neighbor who intervened to stop the genocide. And if that happened, you can bet that all the twitter libs who are "pro-Palestine, anti-Russia" would immediately reverse their batteries and become Zionists. Because in their worldview, the function of oppressed peoples is to die innocently and beautifully so we can all feel very sorry for them. The moment that the oppressed start to win against their oppressors -- or, in the case of Ukraine, the oppressors get the loving shit beat out of them -- these same oppressed become, in the western liberal mind, evil. It's why libs love Palestinians but denounce Hamas and the Houthis, because these groups are fighting back.
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The Azov battalion's emblem, or the 3rd Seperate Assault Brigade as they've been rebranded, is a literal Wolfsangel with a fucking Sonnenrad behind it. There's countless photos of Ukrainian troops wearing Nazi iconography, emblems from the Ukrainian SS division, countless black and red Banderite flags. There are monuments to Bandera, a literal participant in the holocaust, across Ukraine and he is revered as a national hero by the post-Maidan regime.
Putin is a reactionary, for sure. A proud capitalist. He's proclaimed himself such many times during interviews and such. Calling him a Nazi is just ignorance at best, falling directly into Western propaganda more likely.
I don't like Putin. I don't think he's a moral or "good" man. But that doesn't make him a Nazi.
As for the Ukrainian military, were you in a coma for 2 years? 10 years? It's been a well established undisputed fact by everyone, including the Azov guys, that they are fans of the Nazis, wear their symbols proudly, etc. This doesn't make every Ukrainian a Nazi. It doesn't mean Putin is truthful in his desire to rid Ukraine of Nazis. But you can't just deny the existence, the proud existence, of Nazi elements in Ukraine and the Ukrainian diaspora. Like actual, legitimate, swatiska and SS lightning bolt wearing Nazis not just generic fascists. You have to be actively ignorant to miss this for like 2.5 years of war and troop footage.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
"In 2015, Andriy Diachenko, the spokesperson for the regiment at the time said that 10 to 20 percent of Azov’s recruits were Nazis.
The unit has denied it adheres to Nazi ideology as a whole, but Nazi symbols such as the swastika and SS regalia are rife on the uniforms and bodies of Azov members."
If 10 to 20% of the people in a battalion are estimated to be nazis, and people are openly displaying swastikas and SS regalia, it's very clearly a nazi battalion.
Ooooh so you're a fascist apologist okay, you don't actually care if Putin is a nazi or not, you care that you can whitewash Ukraine's actual nazis.
And this isn't even some vague nazi symbol, this is straight up based on logo of the SS Dirlewanger Brigade, one of the worst murderers in entire nazi armed forces. Those morons praise people who murdered their own grandfathers. Pit is not enough.
Meanwhile my claim that Putin is a nazi has to do with the fact that he is attacking neighboring countries and blowing up hospitals and schools like a nazi would.
Even if, for the sake of argument, that we grant Putin just decided to invade Ukraine because he is some kind of a Saturday morning cartoon villain that wouldn't make him a nazi.
A nazi isn't "person doing something I don't like". Now if you say...are a member of the SS being celebrated in Canada you would be a nazi. Or a military regiment following the teachings of the nazi party and proudly wear nazi symbology. Or put on a pedestal a man directly affiliated with the nazi party. That might make you a nazi.
I'm surprised you didn't get a reply "Ackshually there's no Nazis in the Ukrainian military because all the members of the NSDAP are too old to serve in the military :smuglord:"
Are you gonna comment on what Starlet linked or i am to assume you are Dirlewanger Brigade lover too like the people who you defend?
The thing about the hospital is that Ukrainian troops have set up positions in or next to civilian installations in the past. In short: They take human shields.
Another problem is the Ukrainian liberal use of rocket interceptors. Once they're up, they will come down again. In the past this lead to one obliterating two polish people. Not too far fetched to assume that one came down on the hospital.
Also Nazis do a whole lot more than invading or firing at hospitals.
As for nazishit in Ukraine: The Red/Black flag you see in many Ukrainian pics? Is the one of the UPA, the armed wing of the fascist OUN, which aided the nazis in the holocaust, it means Blood and Soil.
You also might have a look at the slogan of the Ukrainian Army, the same as the OUN which popularized it.
You'll also not be hard pressed of finding a ukrainian soldier with a Sonnenrad, SS runes, Galician Panzergrenadier insignia, UPA flag, Wolfsangel, SS skull and so on in every third picture of them. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianIsolatedNazi/ is quite the treasure trove.
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