there doesn't seem to be much written about this topic: https://www.google.com/search?q="bourgeois"+"harry+potter"+"twilight"+"50+shades+of+grey"

Idealist Hegelians believe that dialectics lead to positive outcomes, but negative dialectics are also real. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_Dialectics

  • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I read Twilight back in the day to see what the kids were up to. I've forgotten a lot of it, but there was so much wrong with those books. I had a full soapbox speech about all the weird shit in those books. I think my favorite thing was people going: "but it's a clean romance for teens because there's no sex!" Me: "A man creeps in a window. A young woman in a virginal white nightgown is innocently sleeping in her bed. The man looms over her. He penetrates her. A drop of blood is left on the white sheets. Now, what does that resemble?" I didn't realize that there was a connection to Harry Potter though. An even more cursed product than I realized. yay.

    • Chapo0114 [comrade/them, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      My favorite part is how Edward likes Bella because he can't read her mind and she smells delicious to him. WTF

      • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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        Yes, how romantic! I just remembered another crazy thing--an ex-Mormon put together a website going into all the weird Mormon shit in the books, and it was wild, and really funny.

          • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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            I took a little look and I didn't see it, but bear in mind this was more than a decade ago, so my memory is hazy. I do remember her retelling the story with the aide of cat pictures, and they were hilariously in character. The one for Edward was all sparkly, the one for Bella looked dumb and boring, etc. Sorry I couldn't find it for you. But if you search for Twilight and Mormonism, it turns out that people have written a ton about it. So if you're curious, there were a bunch of articles to read. They may not be funny though.

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        That's the whole history of the vampire bite thing in pop culture. The vampire bite has always been sublimated sex. There's a lot of literature about it, I'm not breaking new ground here. Vampires are pretty much just symbols of dangerous sexuality, with the "rape" scene sublimated to something you can show on TV. There's also some interesting work on vampires and homosexuality, particularly female vampires as symbols of dangerous female sexuality. So anyway, whenever someone was like, "the vampire books are clean," it made me go "vampires in pop culture are avatars for dangerous sexuality, what are you talking about?"

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            Stephanie Meyer framed herself as a nice Mormon lady who wrote some clean books for nice girls, when she just sublimated the sex to something else, so she could have all of the horniness without any of the guilt. I don't have a problem with the teen readers, it's age-appropriate to be ready for some horniness without going all the way--but Stephanie Meyer comes across as a very stunted individual, or at least that's what I thought back then. It's been a while since I thought about her or her work.