I feel like i could sit across a slowly cooling basket of shitty diner fries with this woman going "right?" "Yes!" "I agree!" "Omg thank you!" Etc etc for like, idk, six, maybe eight hours two or three days in a row. I feel pretty much the same way about star wars, fallout, lotr, and when microsoft announces the Elder Scrolls series at some point in the next 18 mos i'll feel the same way about that, too.
We're entering some bold new hell. Capital is trying to turn very big, unwiedly, difficult entertainment products like massive shows, games, and movies in to something like paid per line victorian era pulp slop that can be churnned out endlessly on a tight schedule, while also trying to strip all the craft and expertise out of it and turn the helm over to "ai", while also trying to meet their state mandated propaganda goals and their marketing goals and shore up the declining rate of profit. More and more parts moving faster and faster in ever tighter circles. And there's no bottom so it will go on getting worse, faster, in more perverse ways, until something drastic happens.
In the mean time please join me in declaring yourself a co-equal owner, creator, producer, and writer of lord of the rings, star slop, or whatever other story you love, and start making your own slop and refusing to call it fan-fic and just saying " fuck you, this is the true and authentic cup of christ because if a welsh story about a cool guy can turn in to fucking Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and speilberg doesn't have to call it fan fic then I can write my own stories about random elves and I don't have to be fake humble about it."
If we don't steal our stories back from them they're just going to keep doing this shit until they wring all possible joy out of them. Lancelot is a self insert slash fic character and so can you!
Double replying but whatevs - i think the "too each their own" thing, people don't have enough outside referrents to discuss media. All the star wars and marvel and bat slop are all made by JJ, Gunn, and like four other dudes so all the stories they've seen for the last ten years are the same man children telling the same stories the same way with the same actors. All that changes is how saturated the colors in the sweat-shop forced labor last minute cgi is.
You have to have seen some kurasawa movies and some wwii battlefield footage to appreciate and discus Star Wars and those who disagree can take a number, i an currently fighting the prior wrong person and will be with you shortly. You can't talk about why star wars ships do that if you haven't seen gun pod footage from the battle of midway. You can't talk about lightsaber fights (forms, barf) if you haven't got at least some idea that samurai cinema exists.
And people don't. Their whole life they've been trapped in this world where since harry potter came out in 1997 every media product is part of an all fronts scorched earth campaign to take all of your attention all the time every day.
Star wars began the great work, hp completed it, and now every media project at least aspires to be a 24 hour all encompassing life style of food, clothing, cars, artifacts, apps. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of pages analyzing how often apps and ads should interact with your customers per hour based on their age, gender, etc. You're not supposed to go outside. Each group of media products is supposed to be a walled garden that is at least capable of being some people's entire living experience outside work hours. And, like, yeah, i'm exaggerating, but the combined effect of all these enshittifying products trying to take all your attention all the time, is they're undergoing fierce evolutionary selection leading to convergence on a few forms, meaning people live in these horrible frankenstein prison's stitched together from the rotting flesh of whatever media property group manages to grab their attention. They go from marvel to dcto star wars to potter to gambo to whatever, and it's all the same plots presented the same ways by the same writers, actors, and show runners reinforcing the same messages, just this horrifying cybernetic hell cave out of plato's most derranged dying multiversal ayahuascu death nightmare. The cave is inside us, around us, everywhere. There is no end to the cave. If you go outside the cave you only see yourself staring back. You cannot escape the cave. The cave is all. The cave loves you. Look at the shadows on the wall, consume, be upset in the ways the cave wants you to be upset so you buy more cave shit to assauge the case upset the cave caused you so it could sell you cave theme'd anti-cave upset cave products cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave!
I'ma. Little concerned that my covid lead to an opportunistic strep infection actually...
Oh shit that universal monsters... universe thing! I forgot about the bad tom cruise mummy movie.
but I truly sincerely believe that "to each their own" is a particularly potent cognitohazard cliche
It's in gaming, too. "There's no wrong way to play if you're having fun!" Yes their fucking is! It's a game. Games by definition have rules. If you're not playing according to the rules in good faith in a multiplayer game you're fucking over the other players. If you're doing it to yourself in a single player game you're ruining your own fun. A game without rules is either you cheating, or imaginative play. Neither is a proper game. It's fine to cheat in sp games if you want, but people keep bringing this up as a justiication for demanding changes in the way sp and coop games are designed, implemented, and maintained and once you peekl back through the layers of people arguing about things they don't understand - difficulty systems, artist intent, the relationship between player and dm, there's a startling number of people who just fundamentally do not understand what "play" is. Like not playing games, or not being able to explain the different between play behavior and a game, they don't know how to play because of the monetized restricted entertainment hell we're all trapped in. They don't know how to have fun. They can't engage with a toy it it doesn't have skinner box systems and victory condtions, nor can they even in theory recognize why a game might place rules and restrictions on the player. Like somehow the inborn human ability to play, imagine, and experience fun has been destroyed in a big chunk of the population and all that's left is skinner box dopamine chases.
Treatbrains that bully "defaults" in Fortnite come to mind there. I've been around kids in school that did exactly that toward other kids, offline, tormenting them for being "defaults." Teenage enforcers of monetization.
That's awful. We had pressure to have cool clothes and spending money back in the day, but not pressure to buy mtx. : p the most pressure i had to look cool in games was from the ultima online bank squatter crowd and most people would give you
I firmly believe that everything is cannon and there is no such thing as fan fiction, but I have difficulty conveying why I believe that. I completely agree, and very well said.
I feel like i could sit across a slowly cooling basket of shitty diner fries with this woman going "right?" "Yes!" "I agree!" "Omg thank you!" Etc etc for like, idk, six, maybe eight hours two or three days in a row. I feel pretty much the same way about star wars, fallout, lotr, and when microsoft announces the Elder Scrolls series at some point in the next 18 mos i'll feel the same way about that, too.
We're entering some bold new hell. Capital is trying to turn very big, unwiedly, difficult entertainment products like massive shows, games, and movies in to something like paid per line victorian era pulp slop that can be churnned out endlessly on a tight schedule, while also trying to strip all the craft and expertise out of it and turn the helm over to "ai", while also trying to meet their state mandated propaganda goals and their marketing goals and shore up the declining rate of profit. More and more parts moving faster and faster in ever tighter circles. And there's no bottom so it will go on getting worse, faster, in more perverse ways, until something drastic happens.
In the mean time please join me in declaring yourself a co-equal owner, creator, producer, and writer of lord of the rings, star slop, or whatever other story you love, and start making your own slop and refusing to call it fan-fic and just saying " fuck you, this is the true and authentic cup of christ because if a welsh story about a cool guy can turn in to fucking Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and speilberg doesn't have to call it fan fic then I can write my own stories about random elves and I don't have to be fake humble about it."
If we don't steal our stories back from them they're just going to keep doing this shit until they wring all possible joy out of them. Lancelot is a self insert slash fic character and so can you!
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Double replying but whatevs - i think the "too each their own" thing, people don't have enough outside referrents to discuss media. All the star wars and marvel and bat slop are all made by JJ, Gunn, and like four other dudes so all the stories they've seen for the last ten years are the same man children telling the same stories the same way with the same actors. All that changes is how saturated the colors in the sweat-shop forced labor last minute cgi is.
You have to have seen some kurasawa movies and some wwii battlefield footage to appreciate and discus Star Wars and those who disagree can take a number, i an currently fighting the prior wrong person and will be with you shortly. You can't talk about why star wars ships do that if you haven't seen gun pod footage from the battle of midway. You can't talk about lightsaber fights (forms, barf) if you haven't got at least some idea that samurai cinema exists.
And people don't. Their whole life they've been trapped in this world where since harry potter came out in 1997 every media product is part of an all fronts scorched earth campaign to take all of your attention all the time every day.
Star wars began the great work, hp completed it, and now every media project at least aspires to be a 24 hour all encompassing life style of food, clothing, cars, artifacts, apps. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of pages analyzing how often apps and ads should interact with your customers per hour based on their age, gender, etc. You're not supposed to go outside. Each group of media products is supposed to be a walled garden that is at least capable of being some people's entire living experience outside work hours. And, like, yeah, i'm exaggerating, but the combined effect of all these enshittifying products trying to take all your attention all the time, is they're undergoing fierce evolutionary selection leading to convergence on a few forms, meaning people live in these horrible frankenstein prison's stitched together from the rotting flesh of whatever media property group manages to grab their attention. They go from marvel to dcto star wars to potter to gambo to whatever, and it's all the same plots presented the same ways by the same writers, actors, and show runners reinforcing the same messages, just this horrifying cybernetic hell cave out of plato's most derranged dying multiversal ayahuascu death nightmare. The cave is inside us, around us, everywhere. There is no end to the cave. If you go outside the cave you only see yourself staring back. You cannot escape the cave. The cave is all. The cave loves you. Look at the shadows on the wall, consume, be upset in the ways the cave wants you to be upset so you buy more cave shit to assauge the case upset the cave caused you so it could sell you cave theme'd anti-cave upset cave products cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave!
I'ma. Little concerned that my covid lead to an opportunistic strep infection actually...
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Oh shit that universal monsters... universe thing! I forgot about the bad tom cruise mummy movie.
It's in gaming, too. "There's no wrong way to play if you're having fun!" Yes their fucking is! It's a game. Games by definition have rules. If you're not playing according to the rules in good faith in a multiplayer game you're fucking over the other players. If you're doing it to yourself in a single player game you're ruining your own fun. A game without rules is either you cheating, or imaginative play. Neither is a proper game. It's fine to cheat in sp games if you want, but people keep bringing this up as a justiication for demanding changes in the way sp and coop games are designed, implemented, and maintained and once you peekl back through the layers of people arguing about things they don't understand - difficulty systems, artist intent, the relationship between player and dm, there's a startling number of people who just fundamentally do not understand what "play" is. Like not playing games, or not being able to explain the different between play behavior and a game, they don't know how to play because of the monetized restricted entertainment hell we're all trapped in. They don't know how to have fun. They can't engage with a toy it it doesn't have skinner box systems and victory condtions, nor can they even in theory recognize why a game might place rules and restrictions on the player. Like somehow the inborn human ability to play, imagine, and experience fun has been destroyed in a big chunk of the population and all that's left is skinner box dopamine chases.
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That's awful. We had pressure to have cool clothes and spending money back in the day, but not pressure to buy mtx. : p the most pressure i had to look cool in games was from the ultima online bank squatter crowd and most people would give you
I firmly believe that everything is cannon and there is no such thing as fan fiction, but I have difficulty conveying why I believe that. I completely agree, and very well said.