Also fucking idiotic. Do teachers who do this really think it discourages the disruptive kid, or rather encourages them by giving them the incredible power of fucking up the day of several dozen other kids?
Do teachers who do this really think it discourages the disruptive kid
The key thing here is that this isn't designed to directly discourage the kid, the purpose of doing this is to get the other kids to let's say do some creative persuasion techniques to not do that again. You might recognize this as one of the stereotypical methods that a military would do when dealing with problem soldier, punish the whole unit/squad instead of the single soldier.
If that kid continues to intentionally fuck up the day of every other person in the class the rest of the class gets sick of it and beats their ass.
Or, in reality, it changes the actions of the asshole from a funny thing all the other kids laugh at and encourage to an annoying thing where everybody else tells them to fuck off because it keeps ruining their day and they stop because they aremt gettingnpositive reingorcement from it.
Are we really gonna do another round of the "homework is fascism and bedtimes are against human rights" struggle session.
I think if most people reflect honestly they probablly weren't as blameless as a shit head pre teen towards their teachers as they liked to tell themselves at the time.
The reason the teacher punishes the whole class is if the whole class is giggling and egging on the problem student.
If the rest of the class is also sick of the kids shit it becomes way less of an issue.
Honestly not to string up my boots too tight but I don't think it's a bad thing to instill in children the shotty decisions of their peers affects them negatively.
I dont think we should be locking up kids or doing corporal punishment but I don't think it's the worst thing to understand there's assholes among them that society has to protect against and its a big reason for a lot of negative aspects of their daily life.
Are we really gonna do another round of the "homework is fascism and bedtimes are against human rights" struggle session.
Some bad teachers do lose their cool and actually encourage further distraction in the classroom; usually just rolling with it for a few moments lets the incident fizzle out on its own.
Some kids are assholes (the outright bullies, for example) and being patient and cool with them often doesn't help, either. There's no easy answers for the asshole kids, but knee-jerk "no veggies for dinner, no bedtimes" spite positions are definitely the kinds those asshole kids would also go for.
In my experience it was always a kid being a shithead. Kids are unrepentant assholes especially if you put 20 of them in the room and try to make them learn something. In my extremely consistent experience they're the same shitheads that complains school didn't teach them anything useful despite the fact I was sitting next to them in the class where that was being taught but they were just playing the penis game instead.
I have never seen or heard of a teacher punishing a class for the shortcomings of an ND student, that reads an awful lot like climate protestors are bad because every vehicle is being driven by an incorrectly chatged innocent individual on his way to a parole hearing.
We had ND kids in my school, I got along with most of them they were all stoked when we got to the seperated classes and we could actually focus on learning physics because the teacher didn't have to argue with students that they couldn't dip in class and they had heard them call her a removed everytime she walked by their desk.
The dickhead in my class was just being an attention seeking dickhead. Yelling "Sieg heil!" and goose stepping for laughs and views in the middle of class wasn't due to ADHD, he just wanted people to notice him. He's 30 now and a bouncer/deadbeat dad.
Had it pulled on classes I was in in Jr high, we figured out that if that's the threat we might as well all be disruptive. Collective punishment is a great way to foster collective resistance, what are we gonna do, beat the kid that got us in trouble in his bunk with bars or soap in socks who probably was doing something that made us laugh or the teacher who we all probably hate already and is the one who made that choice?
I just rolled with those moments and often they resolved themselves if I kept my cool or even joined in.
One example was a kid that was outright breakdancing before the first bell right in the middle of the classroom.
I (truthfully) acknowledged he was amazing but that he had til the second bell to clear out. He spun on his head and shoulder like a top and the first kids to come in had a good time watching before they started sliding desks into place.
I hope its an English class where their next assignment is writing a persuasive essay and one student's topic is "why our teacher should be tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity"
Evergreen reminder; collective punishment is a crime against humanity and your teacher belongs in the hague.
Also fucking idiotic. Do teachers who do this really think it discourages the disruptive kid, or rather encourages them by giving them the incredible power of fucking up the day of several dozen other kids?
The key thing here is that this isn't designed to directly discourage the kid, the purpose of doing this is to get the other kids to let's say do some creative persuasion techniques to not do that again. You might recognize this as one of the stereotypical methods that a military would do when dealing with problem soldier, punish the whole unit/squad instead of the single soldier.
If that kid continues to intentionally fuck up the day of every other person in the class the rest of the class gets sick of it and beats their ass.
Or, in reality, it changes the actions of the asshole from a funny thing all the other kids laugh at and encourage to an annoying thing where everybody else tells them to fuck off because it keeps ruining their day and they stop because they aremt gettingnpositive reingorcement from it.
Are we really gonna do another round of the "homework is fascism and bedtimes are against human rights" struggle session.
Eh, still not a fan of getting punished for something someone else did, even if I understand the logic
I think if most people reflect honestly they probablly weren't as blameless as a shit head pre teen towards their teachers as they liked to tell themselves at the time.
The reason the teacher punishes the whole class is if the whole class is giggling and egging on the problem student.
If the rest of the class is also sick of the kids shit it becomes way less of an issue.
Like, I understand how it works, I just don't think it's right. Then again, teachers don't get paid enough to deal with this sort of thing
Honestly not to string up my boots too tight but I don't think it's a bad thing to instill in children the shotty decisions of their peers affects them negatively.
I dont think we should be locking up kids or doing corporal punishment but I don't think it's the worst thing to understand there's assholes among them that society has to protect against and its a big reason for a lot of negative aspects of their daily life.
Some bad teachers do lose their cool and actually encourage further distraction in the classroom; usually just rolling with it for a few moments lets the incident fizzle out on its own.
Some kids are assholes (the outright bullies, for example) and being patient and cool with them often doesn't help, either. There's no easy answers for the asshole kids, but knee-jerk "no veggies for dinner, no bedtimes" spite positions are definitely the kinds those asshole kids would also go for.
Or it unites the class in solidarity against the teacher.
Plus the kid almost certainly has adhd or something and the teacher is trying to turn the class on them for being nd.
In my experience it was always a kid being a shithead. Kids are unrepentant assholes especially if you put 20 of them in the room and try to make them learn something. In my extremely consistent experience they're the same shitheads that complains school didn't teach them anything useful despite the fact I was sitting next to them in the class where that was being taught but they were just playing the penis game instead.
I have never seen or heard of a teacher punishing a class for the shortcomings of an ND student, that reads an awful lot like climate protestors are bad because every vehicle is being driven by an incorrectly chatged innocent individual on his way to a parole hearing.
We had ND kids in my school, I got along with most of them they were all stoked when we got to the seperated classes and we could actually focus on learning physics because the teacher didn't have to argue with students that they couldn't dip in class and they had heard them call her a removed everytime she walked by their desk.
The dickhead in my class was just being an attention seeking dickhead. Yelling "Sieg heil!" and goose stepping for laughs and views in the middle of class wasn't due to ADHD, he just wanted people to notice him. He's 30 now and a bouncer/deadbeat dad.
Had it happen in a class I was in and the reaction was we may as well all be assholes to the teacher then
Sounds like the teacher was right to treat you like a bunch of assholes then.
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Had it pulled on classes I was in in Jr high, we figured out that if that's the threat we might as well all be disruptive. Collective punishment is a great way to foster collective resistance, what are we gonna do, beat the kid that got us in trouble in his bunk with bars or soap in socks who probably was doing something that made us laugh or the teacher who we all probably hate already and is the one who made that choice?
I just rolled with those moments and often they resolved themselves if I kept my cool or even joined in.
One example was a kid that was outright breakdancing before the first bell right in the middle of the classroom.
I (truthfully) acknowledged he was amazing but that he had til the second bell to clear out. He spun on his head and shoulder like a top and the first kids to come in had a good time watching before they started sliding desks into place.
I hope its an English class where their next assignment is writing a persuasive essay and one student's topic is "why our teacher should be tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity"