Seen this shit before with Reddit's most astroturfed poison producers: Monsanto.

"Glyphosate is so safe that you can drink it." eco-porky

"Then drink it. Right now. With the cameras on you." ecoterrorism

"I got to go!" porky-scared-flipped

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    19 days ago

    "it was just water"

    I have dealt with the Texas Commission for Environmental Quality. What I can say with absolute certainty is that it takes moving a fucking mountain for the TCEQ to do a god damn thing. Pictures of raw sewage covering a neighborhood development weren't good enough for them to do any investigation because they suspected the pictures were taken while standing on the property, which is trespassing (there was no fence which is one of the basic requirements in Texas to be able to define trespassing). Raising the level of the entire property, thus completely changing the waterflow of the area? Sure, it was done for the express purpose of changing the waterflow, but unless an independent analysis was paid for by the neighboring properties TCEQ wouldn't even lift a finger to look at it.

    If Spacex is getting fined by TCEQ their violations must be fucking gross and extreme. Spacex sucks so fucking much.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      19 days ago

      I have been told, in person and offline, that any environmental destruction done by my-hero is necessary and good because HUMANS MUST BECOME AN INTERPLANETARY SPECIES(tm).

      Yes. Those words. In person.

      This shit better not establish a lasting presence in space.

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        19 days ago

        You should go check out the Spacex glazing thread we had the other day, lots of folks getting into a lather to support the engineers who are enabling Spacex's enormous environmental disaster so that they can lob short-lived satellites into LEO that will degrade in no time and contribute to pollution, launched on rockets that don't stop polluting when they get shit into orbit but continue pumping out pollutants on their way down.

        Liberalism? In MY Hexbear? shocked-pikachu

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
          hexagon
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          edit-2
          19 days ago

          You should go check out the Spacex glazing thread we had the other day, lots of folks getting into a lather to support the engineers who are enabling Spacex's enormous environmental disaster so that they can lob short-lived satellites into LEO that will degrade in no time and contribute to pollution, launched on rockets that don't stop polluting when they get shit into orbit but continue pumping out pollutants on their way down.

          I saw that thread. You might have wondered why I didn't comment in it; it was so fucking radioactive that I decided it wasn't worth giving my opinion in there if it meant picking up another superfan or two that might rage about me for the next year or so afterward.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            edit-2
            19 days ago

            Yeah I made a few comments and then just dipped out of reading my replies until today because the Elon glazing was so fucking thick. It was a mistake, I should only post in the newsmega with my people.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
              hexagon
              ·
              19 days ago

              Scientism is a helluva drug. A lot of self-described leftists (and especially self-described progressives) have big blinders on whenever something sounds like it'll make their favorite fiction books come a little closer to true, no matter the actual cost of whatever it is.

              • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                edit-2
                19 days ago

                Scientism is a helluva drug

                As someone that is very much into science, I agree. That's why one of my favourite albums of all time is "Dear Science" by TV On The Radio. It's very much a critique of scientism and a critique on the "corruption of science", if you will.

                If you've watched Breaking Bad walter-shock before you've probably heard this song from the album already, but it just sums it up perfectly.

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  19 days ago

                  I saw this said once about "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" reddit-logo types: "You don't 'love science,' you stare at science's ass as it walks by."

                  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    edit-2
                    19 days ago

                    Exactly, as the song says about the fetishism of science:

                    Eternalized, objectified
                    You set your sights so high
                    But this is beginning to feel like the bolt busted loose from the lever

                    • UlyssesT [he/him]
                      hexagon
                      ·
                      19 days ago

                      This is beginning to feel like the dawn of the loser forever billionaire-tears

                      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                        edit-2
                        19 days ago

                        One can only hope, and he does seem to be really losing it lately.

                        But I have a strong feeling that the "death professor" referred to in the song could be Oppenheimer, which makes sense if you see the song as describing the progress of science towards a nuclear detonation, from the barely controlled locomotive (steam era) to the static explosion of a nuclear warhead.

                        • UlyssesT [he/him]
                          hexagon
                          ·
                          19 days ago

                          I'm pretty sure that was the intended subject of the lyrics, too. I just wanted to apply them further.

              • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
                ·
                19 days ago

                Sometimes I think I need to follow your example and disconnect from internet but my job is internet and I can't afford to go live on a boat without internet access kitty-birthday-sad

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  19 days ago

                  Sometimes I think I need to follow your example and disconnect from internet

                  I wasn't entirely without the internet while I was away, but I was very, very distracted with the early stages of my ongoing projects. Now that I have a bit more free time, posting here is habit forming and I sometimes feel like Lahey falling off the wagon again.

                  Show

                • carpoftruth [any, any]
                  ·
                  19 days ago

                  disconnect from internet but my job is internet

                  Consider having an inexplicable log in issue that makes it so you can't log onto hexbear on your work computer. That's what I do

        • Acute_Engles [he/him, any]
          ·
          edit-2
          19 days ago

          Whitey's on the moon came out how long ago? Pretty simple refutation of the whole idea imho

          https://youtu.be/goh2x_G0ct4

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            edit-2
            19 days ago

            Second reply, currently got "Whitey On The Moon" at a lot of decibels

            no hot water no toilets no lights, but whiteys on the moon

            edit: how come I aint got no money here, hmm whiteys on the moon

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
              hexagon
              ·
              19 days ago

              Second reply, currently got "Whitey On The Moon" at a lot of decibels

              Whitey on the Moon used to really piss off "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" Redditors to the point of many Youtube listings of it eventually shutting off comments.

              Really vile cryptofascist shit too, like "enjoy your mud huts while we bring the light of consciousness to the stars." cryptofascist us-foreign-policy

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  19 days ago

                  I hate when I hear the key-jingling kayfabe from people, including on Hexbear, where they start talking about the unquestionable magic of reusable rockets or "the mission" or whatever to shut out any and all dissent against the space treats. not-listening

                  Someone got really pissed in the past when I called a preoccupation with rocketry no matter its expense or its mistaken resource priority as space treats. Fuck that. It's space treats, especially when it's performative bullshit to get people clapping like seals, like that car commercial in space a few years back.

                  Yes, there were fucking "the mission" excuses for that too, like "it was just a test payload, it could have been anything, why do you hate science?" morshupls

              • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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                19 days ago

                enjoy your mudhuts

                I hate crakkkers and this type of racist fuckery. Europeans developed immunity to illnesses because they slept in pig shit in actual mud huts while throwing sewage into the streets outside their home that contaminated the drinking water. Like everywhere else on the planet figured out bathing and hygiene, but whites just wallowed around in actual feces. The Romans thought Brits, French, Germans, and everyone else in northwestern Europe were disgusting.

                Here we are, centuries later, and their descendants have the audacity to attack other cultures' infrastructure. A lot of the time, it was Europeans who destroyed everything. It's really easy for them to focus on space when they stole everyone else's shit.

              • quarrk [he/him]
                ·
                19 days ago

                I was absolutely this kind scientism enjoyer. When I was a teenager. Then I realized that the better world it promised is not possible under capitalism, it requires communism. Advanced technology is a necessary but insufficient condition for that kind of world. The social order matters too.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
            ·
            19 days ago

            What a great fucking track that really gets to the heart of the issue, thanks. I haven't listened to it in a long time, gonna spin up my Gil Scott-Heron flacs tonight

            • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
              ·
              19 days ago

              If you want another song critiquing the corruption of science, check out DLZ by TV On The Radio. I've already linked it somewhere in this thread.

                • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  edit-2
                  19 days ago

                  The whole album is a highlight, at a time in the mid to late 2000s when music labels were pushing a certain sound and aesthetic on bands (trying to turn everyone into some MCR pop punk scene clone, no hate to MCR I still enjoy their music, just hate towards the big labels), and TV On The Radio decide to do something completely different and drop one of the best albums of the decade.

                  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
                    ·
                    19 days ago

                    It seems like there's some kind of lib backlash against TV on the Radio, I don't get it because when I see criticisms I just close the tab

                    My dudes were cooking the whole-ass time and no notes

                    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                      edit-2
                      19 days ago

                      Well you see the band criticized US policy on Israel and bailing out the banks in their songs, called out assimilation, and talked about making an album about killing Nazis, and that's just too far for the libs.

                      But yeah they were cooking up something good, but they were just ahead of the times so they never got the level of fame they should have.

                      To arrive ahead of its time
                      Is the fate of the fish washed up on shore

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
            ·
            19 days ago

            Same thing with global warming, no reason to solve the problem now our kids will be smart and pressured by failing environmental conditions to magic the problem away!

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
              hexagon
              ·
              19 days ago

              Kurzgesagt propaganda about "Team Humanity WINNING if 1% of humanity lingers during a climate apocalypse" intensifies so-true

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  19 days ago

                  There was such a smug and probably deliberate absence of detail regarding what "team humanity" would do exactly to somehow bounce back under planetary conditions that had already killed 99% of the rest of "team humanity."

                  Show

        • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
          ·
          19 days ago

          You took one guy who wrote a comment about how the engineers did great work despite working for a fucking ghoul and you're now here spinning a story about how the thread is Elon stanning, its hilarious, if only people could actualy go and read those comments.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
            ·
            19 days ago

            No, I took the aghast replies to me not being shocked and impressed by Spacex as Elon stanning, and people should absolutely go read that thread. Elon sucks and his companies do too and anybody who likes them is a chump.

      • keepcarrot [she/her]
        ·
        19 days ago

        I am sorry you have interacted with "the tech community" and their bizarre claim of "long termism" but also hedging their bets and saying they don't really believe that.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
          hexagon
          ·
          19 days ago

          I think it's something like the "Narcissist's Prayer" where of course they don't believe it unless their grifting stumbles on something that makes them hope they might become immortal god-kings yet.

          • keepcarrot [she/her]
            ·
            19 days ago

            I think they earnestly believe it and the real grifting is the "center left" facade they have so they don't get kicked out of the polycule

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
              hexagon
              ·
              19 days ago

              Up until a few years ago I do recall my-hero getting brought up, uninvited, in almost every left-leaning online community I can think of, usually under some pretense of "but what about ELO~N? He's one of the good ones and (press release copypaste about saving humanity and humans becoming interplanetary species here)" morshupls

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  19 days ago

                  Me too, me too.

                  CA, especially around Napa Valley, was lousy with them.

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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      edit-2
      19 days ago

      What I can say with absolute certainty is that it takes moving a fucking mountain for the TCEQ to do a god damn thing.

      came to say this lol. They basically exist to give a thumbs up to oil and gas companies to do whatever they want, idk how much shit spacex must have been dumping to get them to do their job for that month

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
        ·
        19 days ago

        It must have been extremely ridiculous for TCEQ to say anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the bar is "the coast is literally boiling with rocket fuel" for them to say "hey maybe not"