So someone finally takes the time to read the wall of text you keep posting, responds to each point and now you say you're too lazy to address it. You're making it literally impossible for there to be a positive resolution to this.
yes. I don't care anymore. I've been at this shit for weeks and clearly noone cares and yall are going to make us reexplain shit over and over again without trying to actually fix anything. I just tring to bring things to attention and I get dogpiled and bullied so I'm plugging out because I'm deadass tired. cry about it.
It seems to me though like people are trying their hardest to hear your issues and respond and fix them in whatever way they can but you dont really seem interested in that and just sort of like holding on to this drama for whatever reason.
It seems to me though like people are trying their hardest to hear your issues
my post about it is getting mass downvoted. we thought beatnik was "trying to hear us out" when we talked with him for 3 days straight but he just ignored us and smeared our names. I'm tired of this shit and I'm tired of having to constantly defend myself to a community that's clearly hostile towards me. so I'm fucking off to somewhere else because you clearly don't want the mass of disaffected comrades to come back to the community.
I guess my point is I cant imagine when it will ever get to the point where you're like 'ok cool this is sorted let's move on'. I'm probs out my depth and dont mean to be hostile at all, just like I'm not sure what more ppl can be doing that they aren't now, theres a lot of stuff in this thread addressing everything you've spoke about. Like I feel if you just sort of stop making this an issue then it wont be one.
Like I feel if you just sort of stop making this an issue then it wont be one.
That would be fine if it was just me and not a whole community of trans people that didn't feel comfortable returning to this space. And if the response to our concerns since day one wasn't enough has been done, now stop complaining about it.
If it's functionally impossible to make an affirmative space for trans people here then that's what it is. I'm tired of arguing. Shork and the gulag have been good enough. Yall clearly don't want to put in the work because I guess it would be too difficult. I'm glad the conversation has finally moved from we're lying assholes to we want too much. That's probably the best we're gonna get.
I'm just asking for the mods to take some steps that aren't just liberal aesthetics. Like discord isn't an "ark' or whatever anymore so they could easily unban us there. Something. But the continue to actively alienate us. We're tired of having to redefend ourselves over and over for like shreds of dignigty. Malcom X was right not to want to fight for integration and I can see that very clearly in this particular moment.
Yeah that sounds fair, I agree they shouldn't be banning people and just let it play out so if that's happening then it shouldn't be.
Though personally I 100% don't care about discord and only use this place (34 year old boomer). Maybe it sounds lame but i'm sure if you guys just start posting on here and leave that shit behind it will be cool and fun (i might be entirely wrong and missing the point).
The same people that banned us on the discord are moderators on here and have been carrying out the same patterned of behavior that lead to us being wrongfully banned in the first place. The behavior actually got worse here than in the discord so like the only option is to just not participate here. Which at this point most people are cool with. I brought the issues up today because I keep forgetting the moderation doesn't actually care about us, and I wanted to start the steps to remedying the situation maybe but the got right on their bullshit from the jump so I guess it won't be happening.
Like honestly if they were engaging in good faith they could have left my first thread unlocked instead of locking in and stickying a new thread so that they had complete control over the narrative. But it seems all they care about is how they are perceived instead of the health of their community.
This is bullshit, don't show up asking to have the grievances addressed and when somebody finally engages in good faith then act you're above it and too good, and can't be fucked to work for it. That ain't good faith engagement.
ngl I'm to lazy to address the rest of this apologia. People can read the thread where we defend all of out claims and come to their own conclusions.
So someone finally takes the time to read the wall of text you keep posting, responds to each point and now you say you're too lazy to address it. You're making it literally impossible for there to be a positive resolution to this.
yes. I don't care anymore. I've been at this shit for weeks and clearly noone cares and yall are going to make us reexplain shit over and over again without trying to actually fix anything. I just tring to bring things to attention and I get dogpiled and bullied so I'm plugging out because I'm deadass tired. cry about it.
It seems to me though like people are trying their hardest to hear your issues and respond and fix them in whatever way they can but you dont really seem interested in that and just sort of like holding on to this drama for whatever reason.
my post about it is getting mass downvoted. we thought beatnik was "trying to hear us out" when we talked with him for 3 days straight but he just ignored us and smeared our names. I'm tired of this shit and I'm tired of having to constantly defend myself to a community that's clearly hostile towards me. so I'm fucking off to somewhere else because you clearly don't want the mass of disaffected comrades to come back to the community.
I guess my point is I cant imagine when it will ever get to the point where you're like 'ok cool this is sorted let's move on'. I'm probs out my depth and dont mean to be hostile at all, just like I'm not sure what more ppl can be doing that they aren't now, theres a lot of stuff in this thread addressing everything you've spoke about. Like I feel if you just sort of stop making this an issue then it wont be one.
That would be fine if it was just me and not a whole community of trans people that didn't feel comfortable returning to this space. And if the response to our concerns since day one wasn't enough has been done, now stop complaining about it.
But it essentially seems like what you're saying is 'it will never be enough'. You see why that's not good right?
Pretty sure one here wants to exclude anyone or for any community of people (except chuds) to feel unwelcome.
If it's functionally impossible to make an affirmative space for trans people here then that's what it is. I'm tired of arguing. Shork and the gulag have been good enough. Yall clearly don't want to put in the work because I guess it would be too difficult. I'm glad the conversation has finally moved from we're lying assholes to we want too much. That's probably the best we're gonna get.
None of that is even slightly related to what I have been saying in any way.
I'm just asking for the mods to take some steps that aren't just liberal aesthetics. Like discord isn't an "ark' or whatever anymore so they could easily unban us there. Something. But the continue to actively alienate us. We're tired of having to redefend ourselves over and over for like shreds of dignigty. Malcom X was right not to want to fight for integration and I can see that very clearly in this particular moment.
Yeah that sounds fair, I agree they shouldn't be banning people and just let it play out so if that's happening then it shouldn't be.
Though personally I 100% don't care about discord and only use this place (34 year old boomer). Maybe it sounds lame but i'm sure if you guys just start posting on here and leave that shit behind it will be cool and fun (i might be entirely wrong and missing the point).
The same people that banned us on the discord are moderators on here and have been carrying out the same patterned of behavior that lead to us being wrongfully banned in the first place. The behavior actually got worse here than in the discord so like the only option is to just not participate here. Which at this point most people are cool with. I brought the issues up today because I keep forgetting the moderation doesn't actually care about us, and I wanted to start the steps to remedying the situation maybe but the got right on their bullshit from the jump so I guess it won't be happening.
Like honestly if they were engaging in good faith they could have left my first thread unlocked instead of locking in and stickying a new thread so that they had complete control over the narrative. But it seems all they care about is how they are perceived instead of the health of their community.
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this is all new to me but okay
you seem cool :)
This is bullshit, don't show up asking to have the grievances addressed and when somebody finally engages in good faith then act you're above it and too good, and can't be fucked to work for it. That ain't good faith engagement.