As I was about to leave Israel after my last trip in February, I posted on Instagram, “Golda Meir famously said that Israel has a secret weapon: We have nowhere else to go.”
And @jeanade5 responded: “Okay, but you have the whole world to go to just like everyone else on the planet.
@jeanade5, I generally don’t respond to hateful comments but I assume yours is not spiteful, just uninformed. Unfortunately, throughout our long history, including today, Jews cannot just go anywhere else like everyone else on the planet....
Jews don’t feel the same sense of security to go wherever they please in the world, which is why we need a place to call home when our current home outside of Israel is becoming increasingly inhospitable. As Martin Luther King said, “Peace for Israel means security, and that security must be a reality.”...
Today in America, more and more Jews are getting the message that we are not welcome here...
There are 27 official Muslim countries and 33 official Christian countries in the world, but only one Jewish state. Only one place where Jews can always have a home no matter how the tides shift in our host countries. It doesn’t mean that no one else has the right to be there. Rather, it assures that the Jewish People, who have been expelled more times than we can count, always have a place to return...
So @jeanade5, we do not have the “whole world to go to just like everyone else on the planet.”
I think for the ultimate peace and security of the situation it will probably be necessary for Israel to give up this conquered territory because to hold on to it will only exacerbate the tensions and deepen the bitterness of the Arabs.
Nobody has a right to a religious ethnostate, I have no fucking clue what these "official Muslim states" are or what makes them official in his eyes.
What is it with religious people that makes them scream oppression when people tell them they aren't allowed to shove their fairy tales down other people's throats?
Edit: that was a rhetorical question, only meme answers will be accepted
Jews don’t feel the same sense of security to go wherever they please in the world, which is why we need a place to call home when our current home outside of Israel is becoming increasingly inhospitable.
Like bruh, Jewish people were welcomed into Palestine as refugees but zionists like you were like 'nah we're taking this'. Jewish people could've lived peacefully in Palestine, and no Jews in other Arab countries would have been expelled (or attacked by mossad and forced to flee) if the zionist forces hadn't been conducting atrocities. Peaceful coexistence had been entirely possible; even now, give Palestinians Israeli citizenship (something that should have been done decades ago) and all these zionism made problems evaporate. Arab nations would've most likely accepted this new Israel, but after this genocide, who would?
Not just Palestine, either. There were huge jewish communities all over the Middle East and North Africa. Morocco has an entire city that's blue and was mostly Jewish. Jerusalem itself was home to thousands of jews long before Isreal was created.
It is part of muslim doctrine to treat jews (and christians) as though they are siblings. That's literally in the Koran. Hell, Arabs even protected jews in occupied countries during WWII.
Western powers gave us concentration camps (which started before even 1900), they gave us eugenics, and they created the 'Jewish question'. The countries in the Middle Eastern muslim world (or indeed in most non-Western countries) didn't engage in this; I recall an interview with an Iraqi Israeli called Avi Shlaim (spelling?) who even said that European antisemitic literature had to be translated to Arabic because the concept of a Jewish question didn't exist in the Middle East, that there was no antisemitic Arabic literature. He said there were no cultural differences between Iraqi Jews, Christians or Muslims, they were all Arabs who happened to be Jewish, Christian or Muslim.
I like to visit the Arabs subreddit from time to time and someone even posted an excerpt from a book by an Israeli historian who found that while Israeli forces would engage in constant massacres of civilians, that there was no policy of it in the Arab forces they fought; there were massacres from time to time by Arab forces but these were few and far between by independent actors and there wasn't a policy for it. Arab forces would apparently even send out warnings to Israeli civilians that they would be fighting in the area so that the civilians could steer clear.
The kind of horrors that European forces engaged in was not something you saw in the Middle East.
there wasn't a policy for it. Arab forces would apparently even send out warnings to Israeli civilians that they would be fighting in the area so that the civilians could steer clear.
Because civilians (especially children, the elderly, and the disabled) are all off limits in Islam. There's a massive list of rules Muslims have to abide by when conducting war and the Koran is very explicit about what those rules are. Whatever else they may be, theocratic Muslim governments had better behavior compared to their Christian opponents during the crusades. It's why there was never a counter offensive into Europe. Doing so was forbidden.
Israeli Zionist rabbis also believe that Jews deserved the holocaust for not establishing a jewish state sooner and trying to coexist with other people. And these are the good guys.
Yeah but they aren't "official" because they let their citizens practice their own religions. Too many Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists to be "official" if we use Zionist logic.
Yeah funny how they think the solution to antisemitism in the US is to blow up toddlers in Palestine instead of going 2nd. ammendment on Neo-nazis or shooting up a Klan rally.
Particularly instructive is Sharon’s recent visit to Moscow. He noted the development in Russia of the cultural and religious life of the Jewish community: it is a kind of “Golden Age.” This would seem good, but the Israeli prime minister continued thus, much on the contrary: “This worries me, due to the fact that we need another million Russian Jews.” What distresses Sharon here is not the danger of antisemitism but, on the contrary, the danger of assimilation.
We have to go to Israel but no one wants us but also everyone wants to kill us out there, like whole nation states so also we'll just kill them all and have a massive regional war because the alternative with be living somewhere else without having a regional war (also they hate us because we're fucking insane colonialist dipshits)
"I have no where else to go except my home in Denver and the rest of this country probably and maybe Europe too. And maybe also elsewhere"
No doubt antisemitism is a problem in the US though you're probably still more at risk of violence as a high school student. And further, would you rather live in a place where you're at risk of being blown up and need to blow up other people to stay there, or the US where that's not so much a fact of life? (though admittedly on land that was itself taken through genocide)
Holy SHIT the article to go with it LMAO
Again, this motherfucker lives in DENVER
Martin Luther King, Jr. also said
During the lifetime of great revolutionaries...
Lol Golda Meir also lived in Denver
lmao fucking incredible.
Seriously lmao
No but you don't get it they had to create their own ethnostate it was the only way
Nobody has a right to a religious ethnostate, I have no fucking clue what these "official Muslim states" are or what makes them official in his eyes.
What is it with religious people that makes them scream oppression when people tell them they aren't allowed to shove their fairy tales down other people's throats?
Edit: that was a rhetorical question, only meme answers will be accepted
The Great Nation of Beanistan
Like bruh, Jewish people were welcomed into Palestine as refugees but zionists like you were like 'nah we're taking this'. Jewish people could've lived peacefully in Palestine, and no Jews in other Arab countries would have been expelled (or attacked by mossad and forced to flee) if the zionist forces hadn't been conducting atrocities. Peaceful coexistence had been entirely possible; even now, give Palestinians Israeli citizenship (something that should have been done decades ago) and all these zionism made problems evaporate. Arab nations would've most likely accepted this new Israel, but after this genocide, who would?
Not just Palestine, either. There were huge jewish communities all over the Middle East and North Africa. Morocco has an entire city that's blue and was mostly Jewish. Jerusalem itself was home to thousands of jews long before Isreal was created.
It is part of muslim doctrine to treat jews (and christians) as though they are siblings. That's literally in the Koran. Hell, Arabs even protected jews in occupied countries during WWII.
Western powers gave us concentration camps (which started before even 1900), they gave us eugenics, and they created the 'Jewish question'. The countries in the Middle Eastern muslim world (or indeed in most non-Western countries) didn't engage in this; I recall an interview with an Iraqi Israeli called Avi Shlaim (spelling?) who even said that European antisemitic literature had to be translated to Arabic because the concept of a Jewish question didn't exist in the Middle East, that there was no antisemitic Arabic literature. He said there were no cultural differences between Iraqi Jews, Christians or Muslims, they were all Arabs who happened to be Jewish, Christian or Muslim.
I like to visit the Arabs subreddit from time to time and someone even posted an excerpt from a book by an Israeli historian who found that while Israeli forces would engage in constant massacres of civilians, that there was no policy of it in the Arab forces they fought; there were massacres from time to time by Arab forces but these were few and far between by independent actors and there wasn't a policy for it. Arab forces would apparently even send out warnings to Israeli civilians that they would be fighting in the area so that the civilians could steer clear.
The kind of horrors that European forces engaged in was not something you saw in the Middle East.
Because civilians (especially children, the elderly, and the disabled) are all off limits in Islam. There's a massive list of rules Muslims have to abide by when conducting war and the Koran is very explicit about what those rules are. Whatever else they may be, theocratic Muslim governments had better behavior compared to their Christian opponents during the crusades. It's why there was never a counter offensive into Europe. Doing so was forbidden.
Israeli Zionist rabbis also believe that Jews deserved the holocaust for not establishing a jewish state sooner and trying to coexist with other people. And these are the good guys.
you can't just live in a place unless everyone else there is part of your religion too
The true and only oppressed minority: Atheists because there is no "official atheist country"
That would be a fun question to pose to the guy. "I'm an atheist, which area of the world do I get to ethnically cleanse?"
I think you just have to get a world power to pick a spot and help you start genociding.
China is still state atheist
Yeah but they aren't "official" because they let their citizens practice their own religions. Too many Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists to be "official" if we use Zionist logic.
Yeah, that message is relayed by far right white politicians who are funded by Israel lol
Yeah funny how they think the solution to antisemitism in the US is to blow up toddlers in Palestine instead of going 2nd. ammendment on Neo-nazis or shooting up a Klan rally.
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There's a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia right?
It's in name only these days, pretty much everyone there is not Jewish
We have to go to Israel but no one wants us but also everyone wants to kill us out there, like whole nation states so also we'll just kill them all and have a massive regional war because the alternative with be living somewhere else without having a regional war (also they hate us because we're fucking insane colonialist dipshits)
how do you get one of them jobs where you can turn your online arguments into published articles
"I have no where else to go except my home in Denver and the rest of this country probably and maybe Europe too. And maybe also elsewhere"
No doubt antisemitism is a problem in the US though you're probably still more at risk of violence as a high school student. And further, would you rather live in a place where you're at risk of being blown up and need to blow up other people to stay there, or the US where that's not so much a fact of life? (though admittedly on land that was itself taken through genocide)