When does this "pragmatism" pay off? When does it deliver results? This is the question these people never address. What is the purpose of being pragmatic?
I'm old enough to have been around for a fair few election cycles now and I'm not sure I've ever actually seen things meaningfully change for the positive. All of the change I've been seeing throughout my life is a worsening of conditions for the majority of people, except in China and perhaps the EU until the last 10 years or so.
Always makes me think of that James Baldwin quote where he says something about “you told my uncle to wait, my mother to wait, me to wait. How long do we have to wait for your progress?” Like people are suffering now. The constraints around fixing this stuff is entirely arbitrary, and asking people to just accept this shit in the name of “pragmatism” is absolutely infuriating to me
By 2032 when AOC has a real shot of becoming the president. This is also why AOC was so adamantly against Kamala Harris when they were attempting to force Biden off the electoral ticket, as it would mean delaying an AOC presidency by another 4 years.
I think the major difference here - according to AOC - is that Stein wanted to stick to her principles and as a result the growth of the Green Party movement will always remain stifled.
On the other hand, AOC learned how to play the Game of Thrones and buried herself deeply and convincingly into the Democratic Party apparatus (she has to fool all the senior party ranks or else they won’t let her run for president) so that she can have a real shot at a sit on the Iron Throne.
It’s idealism vs pragmatism. Real life is a television show, just like the Game of Thrones.
When does this "pragmatism" pay off? When does it deliver results? This is the question these people never address. What is the purpose of being pragmatic?
I'm old enough to have been around for a fair few election cycles now and I'm not sure I've ever actually seen things meaningfully change for the positive. All of the change I've been seeing throughout my life is a worsening of conditions for the majority of people, except in China and perhaps the EU until the last 10 years or so.
Always makes me think of that James Baldwin quote where he says something about “you told my uncle to wait, my mother to wait, me to wait. How long do we have to wait for your progress?” Like people are suffering now. The constraints around fixing this stuff is entirely arbitrary, and asking people to just accept this shit in the name of “pragmatism” is absolutely infuriating to me
Also the theme of the song Mississippi Goddamn
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Documents can wait, hunger cannot - Maybe apocryphal Stalin
Pragmatism is building power forever without ever actually using that power
Unless its forever wars or nuclear brinksmanship
Those don't require political power because both parties equally support them
"Pragmatic" is a weasel word that, in this context, means "supports the party line even for genocide".
By 2032 when AOC has a real shot of becoming the president. This is also why AOC was so adamantly against Kamala Harris when they were attempting to force Biden off the electoral ticket, as it would mean delaying an AOC presidency by another 4 years.
I think the major difference here - according to AOC - is that Stein wanted to stick to her principles and as a result the growth of the Green Party movement will always remain stifled.
On the other hand, AOC learned how to play the Game of Thrones and buried herself deeply and convincingly into the Democratic Party apparatus (she has to fool all the senior party ranks or else they won’t let her run for president) so that she can have a real shot at a sit on the Iron Throne.
It’s idealism vs pragmatism. Real life is a television show, just like the Game of Thrones.
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i dont know why you deleted this, i managed to read through it and thought it was thoughtful and insightful.
yeah i was just reading it and made it half through before i upvoted and it disappeared :(
i genuinely gave myself anxiety over the thought of leaving it up, but i appreciate the sentiment