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Can we defederate from hexbear.net?
Removed by modI’m not sure what’s going on over there, but half the time I see a post from there or go into a comment section and it’s just…bad. Like old reddit the_donald bad. Constant trolling, etc. You TS just really bad vibes. I’ve been blocking the communities as they come up, but I’m not sure what else I can do.
Politics alone isn't the issue. That's why hexbear isn't defederated. The issue with lemmygrad was the brigading, trolling, and being ok with wishing death on the people of NATO (not just memes/quips about dismantling the organisation)
Edit - Clarified some wording
You do realize that NATO and it's member states routinely prop up regimes that persecute the queer community, right? Basic example, universally exerting military pressure in defence of commerce and logistics for trade with Saudi Arabia, a place where we would be executed. They don't stand for our rights or safety, Turkey and Poland are member states for crying out loud! This is a multinational organization who's purpose is increasing arms trade and conflict, not crusade for queer liberation - it would be doing it's business (and does) regardless of human and queer rights violations going on within it's boarders. Queer people outside the west see it and have very negative sentiments towards NATO, do you really want to silence their voices when they'll tell you directly how organizations like this have directly contributed to their suffering? It's a government/military organization, not a human rights organization, it doesn't need anyone here to be running cover for it.
I've clarified my post. I was referring to wishing death on the people of NATO, not simply calling for the dismantling of the organisation.
Edit - I won't be responding to the brigade. Your own instance has rules against it. Pull your heads in
Are you talking about those that work within the NATO organisational structure? You realise they aren’t conscientious objectors. They are willing participants.
No one is wishing anyone death on an instance I admin. It's a pretty clear line.
Which it is you think the users on lemmygrad are doing with the statement "death to NATO". I'll give you an easy and clear list to pick from.
top post of all time on hexbear https://hexbear.net/post/52
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NATO is a modern day imperialist organisation that most in the third world/global south hate. The vast majority of the world's population hates NATO. It is a contemporary imperialist organisation. I have met almost no one in South Africa that is pro NATO, or Western military organisations, in my entire life. The kind of people in South Africa that are pro NATO or Western military operations are also the kind to be pro apartheid, racist and homophobic/extremely transphobic. I have lived in South Africa for nearly 25 years, and this is a constant trend with almost no exceptions. I implore you to think why that is.
Works by authors such is Michael Parenti, Samir Amin and Vijay Prashad could be very helpful to understand why people outside of the west hold anti NATO views.
If the goal of this instance is to be inclusive of LGBTQIA+ people from the entire world (like me), I don't see how you can do that without allowing for anti NATO attitudes. NATO countries constantly push bigoted anti LGBT propaganda abroad while gaywashing at home.
I've clarified my post. I was referring to wishing death on the people of NATO, not simply calling for the dismantling of the organisation.
I don't really understand this one, why is it bad to call for the dissolution of an organization?
I've clarified my post. I was referring to wishing death on the people of NATO, not simply calling for the dismantling of the organisation.
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sounds about white.
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(emojis aren't helpful outside of local comrade)
They still show up, they're just huge.
yeah, which is pretty disruptive/unhelpful until that issue gets sorted
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Ok at this point this isn't helping our cause
Honestly, if I were in your shoes, I would allow "wishing death on the people of NATO". And I grew up with ol' Jens as my homeland's prime minister! I've got American soldiers in my backyard and Russia declaring my dear Norway to be "hostile" twice!
It's like, I just cannot really imagine what "wishing death on the people of NATO" even means. Who exactly would wish for the extermination of the citizenry of exactly 31-to-be-32 nations because of their membership in one specific organization? Are people out here wishing death on the people of the European Union as well? "Down with the people of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact?" Or are the "people of NATO" supposed to be those who willingly chose to support this organization through personal involvement in it?
It's easier for me to imagine maybe that people from Hexbear were expressing loud contempt for the imperial core... But if the citizens of the richer part of the Walled World feel uncomfortable because of that, then even for an instance that "want[s its] community members to be guided by compassion and empathy for others.", I just could not bring myself to care if I were an instance admin. As a citizen of the imperial core, if people in the imperial periphery want to talk about how much they hate people like me, even if they go so far as to say "death to Norway", then let them. In fact I said "hell yeah!" when I saw the Mapuche graffiti reading "GUERRA A NORUEGA" when I learned about Statkraft's decades of violation of Indigenous rights in Chile.
As a gentile, Jews can tell me to drop dead; as a white person, BIPOC can tell me to drop dead; as a sedentary person, travelers can tell me to drop dead; as a sighted person, blind/visually impaired people can tell me to drop dead; as a hearing person, deaf/HOH people can tell me to drop dead; as someone who unfortunately still eats meat, vegans can talk serious trash about me for not kicking the habit already; and so forth. And contrariwise as an autistic trans person, I should be free to talk as much trash as I'd damned well please about neurotypicals and cis people. Part of reckoning with one's privilege should be understanding that those oppressed by systems that one personally benefits from shouldn't have to show you any respect. They should be allowed to get mad as hell and tell one to drop dead! Putting up with that is real respect. Putting up with that means that you understand the hierarchies at play in your life.
That is my opinion: That if we are not allowed to use even the harshest words towards our oppressors, that we will only be a community that preaches the aesthetics of empathy and compassion, rather than living it as fact. I have absolutely enjoyed my time as a Blåhaj Lemmy user, I wish for this instance to grow and flourish, and I wish for this to be my criticism of your administration.
Harsh words aren't the issue and they are not why lemmygrad was defederated.
Then what are you even talking about?! Who are the "people of NATO" and why is it bad to wish death on them?! My whole point is that it should be permissible to wish death on people in positions of power and privilege, and regardless of if "people of NATO" refers to "organizational staff/soldiers" or "citizenry of member states", that would be the case. Do you disagree with this premise and if so why?!
That is not what the phrase "Death to NATO" means, setting aside that "NATO" doesn't have a "people" as it is a treaty organization, unless you mean, like, the heads-of-state and such who run it, vote in it, etc. In that case, phrasing it as "people of NATO" is the most pseudo-populist thing I have heard in years.
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Glad to get clarification, I wasn't sure if you'd given an explanation anywhere.