First, why kratom?
Aren’t I prolific this month? Crazy what not drinking and smoking does. Anyways, kratom. I speak very positively about kratom on this website, unlike other euphoriants like hard opiates, amphetamines, gabapentinoids, or even alcohol. Now personally, if you need them medically or can handle them addiction-wise, hard drugs are going to be better, hands down. But for everybody else (most people) you’re rolling the dice with a really painful, expensive, and potentially deadly addiction. Kratom only has a half issue with being a painful addiction, but it’s less painful than everything else I’ve ever been addicted to, dirt cheap and has an insanely low chance of being deadly. If I had to pick something to withdrawal from again, I’d pick kratom without second thought. As in the only time I had to withdrawal from it, I purposefully made myself physically dependent on it so I could replace fentanyl, I essentially used it to ween myself off opiates. And I know people who did the same thing using Kratom with meth and coke. Kratom can replace pretty much every hard drug with infinitely less risk than all of those hard drugs.
As far as safety profile (aka the chance you die off of it), there are very few kratom deaths every year, and when they do happen it’s usually in conjunction with other drugs. However, if you’re using it really wrong (and I mean REALLY wrong), it definitely has the potential to kill. I’ll go into the death potential more in later sections. But for the most part, the risks of kratom come more with long term heavy, daily use than using it every once and a while.
What does it do?
Kratom is made of many different compounds that all do slightly different things, kinda like weed, but there are two main ones, Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine. These work by stimulating the u-opioid receptors and binding to the rest of them, which results in little to no respiratory depression and a downer effect. The little bit of respiratory depression it does exhibit is cancelled out in lower doses by stimulating your norepinephrine and seratonin receptors, giving it a stimulant function. There are other compounds, but they matter far less. In short, take a little bit of kratom to get speedy, take a bunch if you wanna nod out a bit, somewhere in between for a drunkish feeling.
What kratom should I get?
Kratom is like weed, as in it has strains with varying effects. Honestly, most strains feel pretty similar, there’s not a massive difference between Bali and Indo and Maenga Da. There is quite a bit of variation in the color of the kratom though. There are 3 main types.
Red is your opiate kratom, if you’re a downer person or are worried about overstimulation, this is the kratom for you. Red has more opiate action, less stimulant action. It’s the kratom you take for pain, or when you just wanna have a chill day. I prefer this for high doses as well.
White is speedy, if you like stimulants, this is the kratom for you. It still provides pain relief, but you have a lot more energy. This is the kratom you take in low doses and drink some coffee with in the morning when you have a bunch of shit to do. The stimulation is generally a little smoother and less pronounced than caffeine, but when mixed with caffeine definitely has some of the energy of amphetamines.
Green is what you grab when you can’t decide. If you only plan on buying one type of kratom, this is probably the one you want to get. It’s just somewhere in between red and white, it’s pretty cozy and you can’t really go wrong with green. Kratom is dose dependant, so take a little for speedy, take a lot for opiate.
Now, something you all should know, is I’d generally avoid extracts. One of the great things about Kratom is the nausea. You’re eating a lot of plant material when you take kratom, and it can make your tummy a bit upset. The thing that makes this so great is that if you’re eating/drinking powder, you will vomit long before you get to a lethal dose. Like you’d have to eat a solid pound of plant material if you wanna die, and it tastes like ass so you probably won’t. However, extracts do not have this feature, and they rarely have instructions on how much to take. On top of this, some extracts are laced with ODSMT, a popular opiate research chemical and what Tramadol converts to in your body. This mixture of risks have killed people before, whether it was them being laced, or taking WAY too much kratom because it’s really easy to take too much when you just get an unlabeled bag of extract. There are good extracts out there, I’ve definitely had a few that I loved, but generally speaking it’s just not worth the risk when straight powder or capsules do not have this issue. On top of this, most extracts cost more for one dose than a few ounces of kratom. If you really want an extract, it’s not that hard to make one yourself and that’s what I’d suggest doing. If you're too lazy to do that (valid) look on Reddit for reviews.
How much should I take?
If it’s your first time taking kratom, take 2.5-3.5gs. This will put you right in between being sped out by it and being nodded out by it. Less if you’re more interested in the stimulant properties of kratom, more for pain relief and downer effects. Effects should last about 4-6 hours.
.5-2 grams – Stimulant
2.5-4g – Drunk
4.5g+ - Opiate
I bought powder instead of capsules, how the fuck do I take this shit?
Many kratom people will just do toss and wash. I do not suggest this for many reasons, the biggest one being that it’s absolutely fucking disgusting and is liable to make you throw up from flavor or sensory overload. Kratom doesn’t dissolve in water, so you end up just eating powdery mud. Ew. It also makes you less mindful of your kratom habits, toss and wash is how you end up in Kratom hell (more on that later)
I suggest that you treat kratom like matcha. Throw it in some milk and shake it up! The fat in the milk will make it break down better, and the milk covers up a lot of flavor. You can make a pretty decent kratom tea if you just replace the matcha powder from a matcha recipe. Orange juice is also an option, tastes like shit but could potentiate the kratom because kratom does better when broken down in acid.
Speaking of breaking it down in acid, red bubble tech is sick and if you want to get the most out of your kratom, is the way to do it. You break down your kratom in water with an acid in it, most people will use lemon juice. You want a lot of acid in there, rather overdo it than underdo it. Then you throw that in the freezer. After a few hours, there will be a “red bubble” at the top of it and that’s when it’s ready. This substantially boosts how much kratom you get.
What’s Safe to Mix With It?
Kratom doesn’t cause any major respiratory depression, so it is safe to mix with most downers and it’s more of a question of if you actually want to mix it. IMO, the two best mixes with it are benzos and/or DXM. Benzos also cause very little respiratory depression, so that isn’t much of a concern, but they pretty consistently boost Kratom euphoria. Unlike opiates, benzos doesn’t numb you to the euphoria caused by kratom, and because Kratom doesn’t really cause respiratory depression it’s not a mix that you have to worry about. DXM is also really good, it will make your kratom feel more like a real opiate and DXM also doesn’t really cause any major respiratory depression. Alcohol is technically safe, but generally doesn’t really add anything to the experience except making you vomit a ton so I wouldn’t really recommend it.
As far as stimulants go, there is no danger in mixing kratom with stimulants. Could get a bit overstimulated if you have a particularly tweaky kratom, but there is pretty much no risk in it. Personally, I love kratom and coffee, it's more effective than amphetamine for me. I've also had kratom with amphetamine and ritalin before, both were pretty good. Kratom dulls out the high feeling you get from stimulants, so I wouldn't really recommend it as a recreational thing,. But if amphetamine makes you feel too anxious or tweaked out, kratom can be a solution in those situations.
Kratom Hell
I’ve taken care to make it clear that Kratom isn’t 100 percent safe. Sure, it’s pretty hard to get to Kratom Hell, but it’s possible. If you’re going to be taking kratom all day everyday, I suggest you take care to make sure you’re taking less than 20gs a day, or less than 8 grams per dose. Kratom is still fully capable of making you physically dependent, and at high doses it is opiate withdrawal lite. Still not as bad as other withdrawals, but it’s definitely a risk! Another reason to avoid taking a ton everyday is long term liver toxicity. Kratom can be hard on the liver in high amounts over a long period of time in high doses, and can start causing issues with it if you’re abusing it long term. If you’re abusing it, you will get the yellow skin color that comes with opiate abuse/a weakened liver.
Another path of Kratom Hell is poly drug use. Kratom is a lot safer to mix with things than opiates, and honestly feels way better to mix with than actual opiates. There are a lot of mixes that are fine, but the one I would say to absolutely NEVER do is mix recreational dose gabapentinoids (specifically Phenibut) with kratom. One thing you will find about both of these drugs is that they’re very finnicky, if you want to get the high consistently, there are a bunch of major habit changes you have to take on. This usually isn’t a huge deal if it’s just one or the other, but the mix of the two is liable to take over your life. Kratom and Phenibut is a mix that is hard to get right, but when you finally do it, it’s too good. I found myself chasing the dragon on this for a little bit, spending significant amounts of time making sure everything was right, setting up a million timers throughout the day, pretty much never eating so everything would hit harder. There is a lot more that goes into dragon chasing with these more finnicky mixes than “take higher doses”. So you just slowly shift into your entire life centering around making the mix work. This is my lived experience, and the lived experience of many other people who discovered the two drugs at the same time. Seriously, don’t mix it with high dose Gabapentinoids, the mix of the two is just particularly destructive habit wise.
Have fun y'all, if you have any specific kratom questions feel free to pop them in the comments and I'll answer. If I don't know the answer off the top of my head, I'll research it for you
Shaken up in chocolate almond milk is the absolute best way to take powder. I will fight anyone over this. It almost completely masks the flavor and doesn't get super frothy.
Haven't tried it with chocolate milk, but honestly sounds like it would work pretty well
It needs to be some kind of plant based milk or it's gonna get frothy but the chocolate flavor is like wrapping it in a lover's embrace. Almost never gag with it.
Possibly. I can't get it down without some kind of sweetness to counterattack the bitterness.
Try chocolate almond milk! It's much less of an ordeal. A carton will last me over a week even if I'm dossing twice a day.
Appreciate the recco! But water works perfectly for me. I really enjoy bitter stuff, and my partner doesn’t like chocolate (they’re a monster)
I used to do it that way, it sucked but was doable if it was blended well enough. Personally I'm glad I'm past that era though
Good post, there should be primers like this for every drug, especially those like Kratom that are experiencing a bit of a renaissance because of their ease of acquisition compared to prescription drugs under end-stage capitalism.
I've been using Kratom for probably 3 years now, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how little tolerance is a factor. Im barely taking any more now than when i first started, and the increase was because i wanted more sensation, not to keep the same level of it. Because of that and its bad tastse, it seems a little more difficult to get addicted to than others (I'm someone who finds it challenging to go 3 or 4 hours without a dab, for instance). That said my big secret tip, my method for avoiding addiction and side effects is this:
I just do it every other day
It sounds like a joke but it's true. When I run out of Kratom doing this, it takes me a few days to get around to buying more: the lack doesn't cause me stress. And this way, every other day feels like a mini holiday when you remember oh yeah, it's a Kratom Day. And when its not a Kratom Day, tomorrow is:) Take it at the start of a hike or movie and you'll have a serene smile for hours.
Does filtering out the particulates with cheesecloth lower the effects? I haven't done it in awhile, but I got red Kratom from a reputable source and steeped it for awhile in less than boiling water and then filtered it. Effects seemed to be varied based on the particulates or some other variables I wasn't considering. I took the same amount using a scale.
I'd say it really depends on how long you do it and if you use an acid in your tea. Kratom's main compounds aren't soluable in water, but they are soluable in an acid like lemon juice. If you want to strain tea, you'll need an acid to actually extract what you want from the kratom. Otherwise, you definitely are losing potency by straining. Personally when I make kratom tea, I'll put some boiled water in a cup and let it cool down for a bit, throw in my kratom and lemon juice and blend it with a milk frother. Add some oatmilk for taste, consistency, and potency. With a fat and an acid in the tea to dissolve the kratom better, I don't feel the need to strain it.
I'll drop my tip on how to consume it:
Put your dose in a small container with a lid that seals well. Add hot water from the tap, shake vigorously. Drink it and chase with warm water.
This is the method I've found that eliminates the tendency to get gritty powder stuck in your throat and mouth. It also helps if you dislike the taste, just don't breathe before you do the chaser.
This sounds like something that would happen in a BDSM club
"DRINK YOUR WARM MUD POWDER"
I just throw 3.2G in a glass water bottle and fill it with cold water. I chug half, then fill it back up with cold water so it’s not so concentrated. The chug that. I thought it was fine because I like super bitter stuff but my partner HATED IT at first… now they’re used to it. We use those glass Voss bottles.
Just calculated and it turns out I'm taking 4.5G at a time, just brushing the opiate zone. How do people get past the nose itching when you take more than that??
Lol I read this right when I was itching my nose. Anti-histamines are the answer. If you're going for the opiate sedation, 1st gens like Promethazine and Benedryl will be the move. However, kratom doesn't release a ton of histamine like opiates do, so a 2nd gen anti-histamine like Zyrtec will be able to do the job without making you drowsy.
Thank you. Because of your advice I bought Green kratom last week and really loved the effects. I tried different dosages.
Question about kratom’s stimulant properties. I have adhd. Coffee gives me energy but not much else (concentration, focus, etc). How effective do you think White kratom is? Could it effectively replace adderall for me? How about mixing adderall with kratom to tone down the anxiety inducing effects of the former?
Personally, I have autism with a lot of ADHD traits and find kratom+coffee to be more effective than amphetamines, and I typically don't even buy white. However, white is very effective. I know multiple people who replaced their self medication stimulant use with kratom and they've all been very happy about it. Stimulants make me anxious, including caffeine. I'll pretty much only take the D-isomer version of them (Pure Dextroamphetamine, Focalin for phenidates, ect.). If I take normal adderall or ritalin, I feel like I have to drink or take a little bit of Gabapentin to get past the anxiety enough for it to be functional. I don't have this issue with kratom at all, it lets me drink as much coffee as I want without getting anxious. I can get my energy from the coffee and the kratom keeps me focused. If you're interested in cutting down on your ampehtamine use, or replacing it, I think kratom is definitely worth trying. Works way better for me than almost everything else I've ever tried, and the things that worked better had some nuclear long term impacts and aren't even worth mentioning. I'd use it daily and just eat the physical dependence if it had a longer half life honestly.
Personally, love kratom and amphetamines, although I've only ever mixed red with amphetamine. Kratom definitely dulls out the tweaky aspects of it, just keeps everything smooth, and there's no real danger in mixing the two. The one thing I'd suggest watching out for is the mix of the two can make your body's temperature regulation a lot worse, so if you're sweating too much while trying this it's probably why.
The liver-related danger is real
I really like kratom but I can't use it anymore cuz it really messed up my liver for like a month a few years ago with just light use, really scary time of being really tired all the time and itchy all over :(
Idk if I got a contaminated batch or if I'm just more susceptible to it but be careful
I recovered fully as far as I know but yeh
Pure, synthetic drugs are often safer than "natural" stuff
Yeah, some people are missing metabolites in their body to process kratom. Pure synthetics are often safer for people who can handle them, I think it just really depends on how people are able to handle using the drug in question. For example if someone is able to not become addicted to amphetamine, amphetamine has a great safety profile
Can kratom cause slight hand shaking? I've been sober from alcohol for about a month and went through withdrawals from that but got over the shakes in the first week but I have some minor shakiness now and I'm thinking it's from kratom. (also kinda itchy)
Yeah, that can definitely be from kratom. What does are you taking? What type?
650mg capsules, "red Bali/white elephant" blend
Forget how many I've taken today exactly but I think I'm around 4 or 5 grams today. For me this feels currently kind of like weed edibles effect me with a bit of what staying awake for around 30 hours feels like if you weren't actually physically that tired if that makes sense? I've also drank quite a bit of coffee in the morning and vape nicotine so those could be contributing but neither of those usually make me jittery at all
Yeah, kratom's stimulant effects get boosted by other stimulants quite hard, especially if you have white kratom in the mix. I'd adjust by switching to straight red or green if you still want some extra stimulation. Can also take a lower dose since high doses of white can definitely tweak you out.