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Libs: "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THAT THERE'S GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG, AND IF YOU DARE TO BRING UP THE LACK OF EVIDENCE OF ANY SORT OF ABUSE FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS YOU'LL GET BANNED!!!!"

Also libs: "Didn't you know that 15k of the 40k humans murdered in Gaza were actually terrorists? it-is-known Also, lots of civilians die in wars like the one happening in Gaza, it's sad but inevitable"

smuglord

Fuuuuuuuuuck this shit.

  • RomCom1989 [he/him, any]
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    4 months ago

    LMFAO Liberal Einstein here,doing "experiments"

    Also,"the" Ukraine? Madonn!

    • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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      Changed it for you. And I knew someone was going to go for the bait. Remember, this is an international forum and we need to conduct ourselves appropriately.

      Also Einstein was a genius, so it's not much of an insult to get compared to him. Kind of flattered honestly

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        Also Einstein was a genius

        I'm shocked that no one has taken this low-hanging fruit yet: https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

        • RomCom1989 [he/him, any]
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          4 months ago

          I was thinking of mentioning that,but it will probably fly over their head like a Hezbollah rocket over an Israeli settlement

        • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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          4 months ago

          So just so we're on the same page, what was your point in providing this article?

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            4 months ago

            I just thought an Einstein fan might be interested in reading his thoughts on communism, and Hexbear would be the place where people point it out as a board of communists who have a shortlist of articles that they reflexively post (Ask someone about brainwashing next). It has no bearing on the alleged uyghur genocide stuff.

          • miz [any, any]
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            4 months ago

            it's for you to not read, just ilke you won't read https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

            and then keep flapping your ignorant mouth repeating the same embarrassing lies that get broadcast on TV as if we haven't heard them. then we bring up easily verifiable facts and information you've never heard in mass media, and you ignore it because you're a spoiled western chauvinist who just wants the treats to keep flowing

          • RomCom1989 [he/him, any]
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            4 months ago

            Funny how the mind of the western barbars can't comprehend that this place isn't another internet space dominated by the American monoculture

          • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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            4 months ago

            I'm not the one throwing shit at everyone in the thread in order to make terrible actions by a country look better

            • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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              4 months ago

              You are the only one getting shit thrown at you. This isn't a struggle session, it's not a flame war. It's all of us against just you. Because you're wrong and are annoying about it This is the forum equivalent of being brought into town square so people can throw rotten food at you.

        • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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          4 months ago

          Oh sorry. Context is difficult with just text. Let me retry. "Oh no! Sarcasm! My only weakness. I've been defeated!"

      • RomCom1989 [he/him, any]
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        Oho,I admit,I'm flattered you decided to take time out of your day to look through my posting history to dunk on me

        Credit where credit is due

        Now,with all due respect,you can fuck off with that smug attitude you westoid fuck

        The gall of these smug little reddiors is astounding

        Seeing as you saw fit to look through my comments,I think you might have seen that I literally live next to "the" Ukraine

        I saw the Russians drone strike cities from my own house and I still think uwu smol bean Ukraine should lose this war on account of the being a puppet of the NATO reich and because they have become a Mecca for nazis of all stripes

        I hate NATO,I hate Ukraine and I despise Israel

        The fascist world order will collapse and you smarmy little fucks can do nothing about it, except piss yourselves on the internet and epically bait and pwn le evil commies

        • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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          4 months ago

          Yup. I'm smug and you're a hypocrite who is ok with innocent Ukrainian civilians getting killed by an invasion force that has no business being there. Think about that. You want civilians to die for world politics

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            4 months ago

            You want civilians to die for world politics

            You say this like "politics" is some nebulous, worthless thing. People typically want wars that are disruptive of the status quo because they view it as the only way to change systems in which, e.g., a much greater number of civilians live under brutal oppression, as their grandparents did and their grandchildren will if the state machinery is not smashed. You're like the people who bemoan the Haitian Revolution because some white families died with no concern for the fact that it was a slave state and the revolution stopped, it cannot be stressed enough, the continuous, literal chattel enslavement of an entire country's worth of people.

            THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

            -- Mark Twain on France's "Reign of Terror"

            • newacctidk [none/use name]
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              4 months ago

              The implication that there are premature deaths that are not in some way political is also silly.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                4 months ago

                Notice I also brought up France, where people were not chattel slaves but living in oppression and fought a revolution that conservatives still have not forgiven them for.

                So the question is "What humanitarian issues are you saying would actually get better by Russia invading?" And my answer is that the Euromaidan coup government was culturally repressing the better part of eastern Ukraine, which was the material basis for their revolting against the Ukrainian government, which resulted in an eight year war of the slaughtering of civilians and journalists in the east with indiscriminate bombing and shooting. Russia's victory over Ukraine is the best chance they have to live without cultural repression or slaughter.

            • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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              Nope. I don't understand why people think that one side needs to be right

              • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]
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                4 months ago

                It's less about being "right" and more about which side is conducting a settler colonial genocide

                • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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                  Israel. However hamas abducted 251 people and 97 are still unaccounted for. Two wrongs don't make a right

                  • RomCom1989 [he/him, any]
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                    Someone shoots you in the chest and kills your entire immediate family

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                    You try to punch them in response

                    "Two wrongs don't make a right!"

                    Add in a pinch of us-foreign-policy and a dash of hitler-detector and voilá,you have the average liberal!

                  • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]
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                    However hamas abducted 251 people and 97 are still unaccounted for

                    It's notable that you think that the victims of a genocide should have no bargaining chips to negotiate with.

                    EDIT: Also,

                    Two wrongs don't make a right

                    You are very willing to excuse stuff like the Ukrainian military attacking civilian targets and using civilian facilities to stage military activities. For some reason, it's only non-white people whom you apply these standards to.

                  • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]
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                    4 months ago

                    I have a give and take relationship with people on the internet.

                    This is toddler logic. You have to use violent tactics to resist genocide, it inherently involves committing "wrongs".

                  • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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                    4 months ago

                    What actions do you recommend victims of genocide take to overthrow their century-long oppressors?

                  • m532 [she/her]
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                    4 months ago

                    "Roll over and die"

                    oppa gandhi style

                  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                    4 months ago

                    More Palestinians were dead by October 8th, and the number since then has increased by two to three orders of magnitude.

                    The people abducted were mostly military, and some elderly hostages were released very quickly on account of their age. Hamas takes pretty good care of the, it must be stressed, captives taken in a military conflict, while Israel has mostly been fine with slaughtering them in indiscriminate bombing in classic Hannibal Directive fashion.

                    This is all ignoring that, outside of children (whose parents are to be blamed), there really aren't civilians on the border with Gaza, as the "civilians" are still part of the enactment of Israel's lebensraum.

                  • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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                    Two wrongs don't make a right

                    Have you considered a much more urgent and pressing matter is that ISISrael has a city-state the size of municipal Johannesburg under siege; has destroyed every mosque, university, hospital, school, UN office, several diplomatic offices, the civil registry, water treatment plant, all farmland, media office, the Court of Justice, cemeteries, most high-rise buildings, effectively banned food and water, etc. At least 50,000 (likely even in the several hundred thousands) have been massacred, with priority targets being UN workers, humanitarian aid, civil rescue/defense, paramedics, professors, doctors and journalists. Several hostages have also been killed. Deaths of Hamas fighters in contrast, have been largely incidental. All of this also recorded live on the free iPhone 15 Pro Max the Nazi soldiers are given.

                    Hamas was also ready to negotiate the total release of all hostages in exchange for a permanent end to hostilities literally as early as 9 October.

                    Take a wild guess as to why South Africa for instance, no longer has an active underground resistance.

                    7 October had maybe, a marginal effect on the already violent Nazi sentiments of ISISrael and it's supporters.

                  • RomCom1989 [he/him, any]
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                    4 months ago

                    Not at all

                    Holsum slobber Ukraini Azov nazis ethnically cleansing Russians: They are only defending their country from the eeeevil! invasion of Putler, you tankie! Innocent civilians are dying!

                    Hamas heroically fighting the Zionazi entity:

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          • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]
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            4 months ago

            you're a hypocrite who is ok with innocent Ukrainian civilians getting killed by an invasion force

            You are literally okay with things like your genocide of Palestinians, your atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, etc., colonialism in general.

            • EABOD25@lemm.ee
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              4 months ago

              And now you're just assuming. You got anything of substance to say or are we just going to keep doing this dance?

              • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]
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                4 months ago

                And now you're just assuming

                Quick question,do you support Hamas?
                Nope. I don't understand why people think that one side needs to be right

                You have admitted that you do not support a resistance to a genocide, and you don't understand why resistance to a genocide is just.

                But hey, sure, let's hear how much you don't support the rest of the things that I listed, despite uncritically regurgitating your empire's propaganda (even though your empire has admitted to having no evidence to support it).

                  • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]
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                    4 months ago

                    Show what 'otherwise'?

                    Is pretty obvious that you just uncritically trust your empire's career liars, and are unable to admit that you support a genocidal empire.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        4 months ago

        You literally argue like a 13 year old. Calling people Einstein sarcastically isn't new, it goes at least as fat back as 1997 when a talking bird used it that way in star fox 64 and I understood the phrase and what it meant at age 6. By pretending what is clearly sarcasm is a genuine comparison between you and Einstein is patently absurd and you aren't making yourself come off as at all clever, it comes off as a desperate child who knows he's losing and has decided that being obstinate is a replacement for wit, rhetoric or a basic understanding of the topic. You're infantile.