• Chronicon [they/them]
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    14 days ago

    her being 13 really undermines this for me. That fact should have been obvious. They should have been looking for her parents not letting her sit in gen pop for 2 weeks not giving a shit, because they had the cop-out excuse of "she's unidentified and homeless" to just throw away the key. That's what makes it good agitprop, a random 13 year old girl is not a fuckin murderer (and would be highly known/wanted if she were), and even if they couldn't find her parents for some reason, she should have been with CPS not in jail.

    What an AES state might or might not do doesn't determine what I think capitalist states can do. AES states presumably have a lot less purposefully un/underdocumented homeless populations, and a lot more (and more justified) trust in government. When you put barriers in place of people getting and keeping valid identity documents you shouldn't be surprised when people start showing up without them

    I'm not on the "hope this person gets banned from 'grad" train, but I do think this wasn't a great take and certainly didn't "read the room"

    • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml
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      14 days ago

      I didn’t say the cops handled this well. I said they can be criticized here and we should check their story.

      My disagreement with you is solely limited to whether this is good agitprop.

      I brought up how pretrial detention is used everywhere, including in AES states, because when we use stories like this to say things like "its not justification for keeping her in jail without trial nor hearing," we show our ass a bit. Lots of persuadable people out there would point out that there's a reason some people are held before trial; it's not some unique horror of the U.S. criminal legal system. We make the exact same argument when libs push "China bad because they exercise authority" articles.

      • Chronicon [they/them]
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        14 days ago

        What makes it good agitprop is that she's 13 and the cops didn't give a fuck, it shows their inhumanity. And idk, if china holds people for weeks or months without a hearing I'd be critical of that too, generally. Not all lib "evil CCP must go" levels of mad about it, but certainly it's not ideal.

        Edit: they did give her a bail hearing. so feel free to scratch the bit about "without trial nor hearing" It was cash bail though, and it still feels like the word "homeless" was all it took for the jailers to give zero shits and throw away the key

        edit 2: ultimately what people are mad about IMO, is the fact that they felt scolded for posting about this here, which is you know, not a mixed space and not primarily/solely for agitprop. The phrasing was some shit people harboring liberal opinions about police love to trot out.