They didn't care because being a Star Trek fan meant being a weird, fat loser nerd 20 years ago.
Now the wine-clinking neoliberals are pretending to always have thought it a progressive masterpiece, when in reality, they thought it was entertainment for freaks.
And now the wine-clinking liberals are giddy for more Section 31/Terran Empire apologism and dismantling the Federation one "prestige tv" treatment at a time.
DS9 challenged the Federation's integrity and principles. The current Kurtzman-era hacks don't even care what those principles actually were.
EDIT: Adding this extra bit from further down for clarification of where I stand on current Trek shows.
Lower Decks, Prodigy, and (to some extent) SNW are good in spite of Kurtzman's presence. He's constantly pushing for his precious Section 31 project and anything he gets more direct control over becomes smeared with P R E S T I G E T V misery-for-misery's-sake, cheap sloppy sensationalism, and contrarianism against Trek's founding themes, which has hurt Trek long enough.
I propose UlyssesT controls all sci-fi treat writing in Hollywood
You have any idea how bored I would be if absolutely everything that was ever churned out of the genre was directly by my say-so? I want to be surprised, even challenged with my entertainment. It'd be kind of fucked up if I only read my own stories, after all. That's exactly why I'm basically grieving for Trek's squandered potential while the Kurtzman-era hacks continue to smear their shit all over it.
Lower Decks, Prodigy, and (to some extent) SNW are good in spite of Kurtzman's presence. He's constantly pushing for his precious Section 31 project and anything he gets more direct control over becomes smeared with P R E S T I G E T V misery-for-misery's-sake, cheap sloppy sensationalism, and contrarianism against Trek's founding themes, which has hurt Trek long enough.
I would humbly (and gladly) accept some special position to shoot down P R E S T I G E T V shit before it percolates into modern Trek, that's for sure.
Your brush is a bit overbroad. The hacks currently dismantling the integrity and principles of the Federation are only running some of the current era Trek shows. Lower Decks is the best showcase of Federation values there's ever been.
I'll quote what I already said in another reply chain.
Lower Decks, Prodigy, and (to some extent) SNW are good in spite of Kurtzman's presence. He's constantly pushing for his precious Section 31 project and anything he gets more direct control over becomes smeared with P R E S T I G E T V misery-for-misery's-sake, cheap sloppy sensationalism, and contrarianism against Trek's founding themes, which has hurt Trek long enough.
First of all, death to the traitor Kurtzman of course. But just like the hated Rick Berman before him, I don't think he can really ruin Trek as a whole.
The tacticool-fantasizing misanthropic edgelord that sex pested right out of the show because she wouldn't fuck him? That guy? I may have gotten names mixed up.
I don't think he can really ruin Trek as a whole.
He's certainly trying his best and no one seems willing, if able, to dethrone him.
Yes that's the guy. He also created gold pressed latinum because he refused to believe or understand the concept of a post-scarcity post-capitalism economy. Which is why I especially appreciated Boimler extremely obviously not giving a shit about latinum during the Cerritos' visit to DS9.
Lower Decks is the flagship of Trek in the present day, far as I'm concerned. Comedy, sure, but like good comedy, it speaks truth to power (including the hacks like Berman and Kurtzman). There was even a subtle jab once where a Mariner rant about asshole leadership coincided with Kurtzman's opening credit showing up.
I love how Freeman is absolutely her daughter's mother, with her own occasional snarky comments about Starfleet and Federation leadership, and an instinct for morality over legality. I can't remember the exact episode but there was a great scene in a turbolift with her and Ransom where she's grumbling about "Starfleet's policy of some interference" when it hamstrings her from ethical actions.
I also love how Freeman's job as captain of a California-class ship is hinted at over the seasons as being a result of Freeman's own rebellious streak, and not any sort of incompetence. When push comes to shove Freeman is a damn good captain. The apple didn't fall far from the tree.
The sheer complexity of Freeman's character is very refreshing to me. Your take is my take too.
One of my favorite Freeman moments was that "so cringe it's actually cool somehow" moment where she settled on "warp me." I still say "warp me" sometimes in Star Trek Online.
They didn't care because being a Star Trek fan meant being a weird, fat loser nerd 20 years ago.
Now the wine-clinking neoliberals are pretending to always have thought it a progressive masterpiece, when in reality, they thought it was entertainment for freaks.
And now the wine-clinking liberals are giddy for more Section 31/Terran Empire apologism and dismantling the Federation one "prestige tv" treatment at a time.
DS9 challenged the Federation's integrity and principles. The current Kurtzman-era hacks don't even care what those principles actually were.
EDIT: Adding this extra bit from further down for clarification of where I stand on current Trek shows.
I propose UlyssesT controls all sci-fi treat writing in Hollywood
You have any idea how bored I would be if absolutely everything that was ever churned out of the genre was directly by my say-so? I want to be surprised, even challenged with my entertainment. It'd be kind of fucked up if I only read my own stories, after all. That's exactly why I'm basically grieving for Trek's squandered potential while the Kurtzman-era hacks continue to smear their shit all over it.
Lower Decks, Prodigy, and (to some extent) SNW are good in spite of Kurtzman's presence. He's constantly pushing for his precious Section 31 project and anything he gets more direct control over becomes smeared with P R E S T I G E T V misery-for-misery's-sake, cheap sloppy sensationalism, and contrarianism against Trek's founding themes, which has hurt Trek long enough.
Would you ever write a scifi story though?
One book trilogy so far, some supplemental short stories, and a new project still in the making now.
I mean if you want to read them, I can send you some links on private message.
You can finish projects without abandoning them like I do?
Nowadays, I often can, but often with prolonged delays and setbacks.
So relatable
He has
I forgot about that
Edit: is Tuggy a funny joke pseudonym name?
It's actually from an old sailor term for people that pull boats up river, often with the assistance of horses.
I think his proposal is more like chief censor, rather than the sole writer
I would humbly (and gladly) accept some special position to shoot down P R E S T I G E T V shit before it percolates into modern Trek, that's for sure.
Your brush is a bit overbroad. The hacks currently dismantling the integrity and principles of the Federation are only running some of the current era Trek shows. Lower Decks is the best showcase of Federation values there's ever been.
I'll quote what I already said in another reply chain.
First of all, death to the traitor Kurtzman of course. But just like the hated Rick Berman before him, I don't think he can really ruin Trek as a whole.
The tacticool-fantasizing misanthropic edgelord that sex pested
right out of the show because she wouldn't fuck him? That guy? I may have gotten names mixed up.
He's certainly trying his best and no one seems willing, if able, to dethrone him.
Yes that's the guy. He also created gold pressed latinum because he refused to believe or understand the concept of a post-scarcity post-capitalism economy. Which is why I especially appreciated Boimler extremely obviously not giving a shit about latinum during the Cerritos' visit to DS9.
Lower Decks is the flagship of Trek in the present day, far as I'm concerned. Comedy, sure, but like good comedy, it speaks truth to power (including the hacks like Berman and Kurtzman). There was even a subtle jab once where a Mariner rant about asshole leadership coincided with Kurtzman's opening credit showing up.
That jab was too subtle for me, it slipped right by. Do you remember which episode it was?
I wish I did. It was in the first minute of the episode where Mariner was ranting as the name popped up below.
Longshot chance it was Captain Freeman and I misremembered, but I think it was Mariner.
I love how Freeman is absolutely her daughter's mother, with her own occasional snarky comments about Starfleet and Federation leadership, and an instinct for morality over legality. I can't remember the exact episode but there was a great scene in a turbolift with her and Ransom where she's grumbling about "Starfleet's policy of some interference" when it hamstrings her from ethical actions.
I also love how Freeman's job as captain of a California-class ship is hinted at over the seasons as being a result of Freeman's own rebellious streak, and not any sort of incompetence. When push comes to shove Freeman is a damn good captain. The apple didn't fall far from the tree.
The sheer complexity of Freeman's character is very refreshing to me. Your take is my take too.
One of my favorite Freeman moments was that "so cringe it's actually cool somehow" moment where she settled on "warp me." I still say "warp me" sometimes in Star Trek Online.