Trotskyists have an actual position that isn't class essentialist challenge (impossible)

Trots try to be on the right side of liberation struggle challenges (hard)

Trots trying not to become neo-cons challenge (extremely hard)

Trots trying not to lie about lenin's history of stalin challenge (impossible)

Trots having a position that isn't just 'the opposite of what stalin did' challenge (literally impossible)

no imma trot bash here, they're consistently shit in their ideology and even on Palestine most just bemoan how 'both sides bad'. 'Leninists' my ass.

i don't even like stalin that much but jesus christ its all they think about

  • plinky [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    hate the trotskyists not the trotsky (tm)

    tbh i find amusing when i can clock tendency immediately in some article or talking to people

    • HelltakerHomosexual [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 months ago

      i will hate trotsky till my dying breath man was a flip flopping little debate pervert whos best job was organizing an army and then ruined that achievement by trying to be a counterrevolutionary bastard.

      lmao just sitting and waiting for them to say 'stalinism' 'state capitalism' and 'removedd workers state' thats all i need

      edit: i said the 'degen-' word thats what was removed

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        "I like your Trotsky but not you Trots. You Trots are so much unlike your Trotsky."

        • Gandhi
    • PKMKII [none/use name]
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      2 months ago

      Yeah I get why the dude on a personal level was salty and wanted to craft an alternative to ML out of spite.

      But as a functional form of leftism, the constant rolling revolution idea is so massively unworkable I don’t get why anyone takes it seriously after the fact.

      • HelltakerHomosexual [she/her, comrade/them]
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        2 months ago

        one reason is that they were originally propped up by capitalists to destabilize the communist movement

        another is that they just lie about soviet history

        like for examplethey literally lie about lenin having the position of 'permanent revolution' (and then change its meaning) and then change the meaning of 'socialism in one country' (it was not a discarding of the Internationale, but saying that socialism can be built in the soviet union without being assisted by wealthier countries)

        Source: Lenin's "on the two lines of the revolution"

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      Counterpoint: There are absolutely good trotskyist individuals and groups. Trotsky himself is a shithead and I will shake off the rust on the part of my brain with Trotsky Lore if I really need to.