Does anyone have the vris92 copypasta on the Chapo subreddit where he says something like:

"Fuck you guys, I was never being ironic. . . . You've actually made me like Stalin more (who I literally think was wrong) because he was right about social fascists like you."

im a grover furr level stalinist but it pales in comparison to the sheer obsession trots have with him

never mention peasants to a trotskyist, worst mistake of my life

I mean idk what counts as a "real Trot" but SWP (USA) has foreign policy positions indistinguishable from the state dept due to the contrarianism.

They sent reporters to the Ukraine to do pro-Maidan coverage ten years ago.

They're also a cult who tried to get a younger family member of mine (who grew up impoverished in the projects) to drop out of university and salt grocery stores and tried to get a friend of mine who was recovering from a major life threatening surgery to go to an event that was like an 8 hour car ride away. They were extremely aggressive about that second one also.

I will always hate the SWP. Fuck their shitty newspaper "The Militant" too. Ukronazi boosting sectarian shitheads.

Unwitting saboteur, yes. A bonafide Communist hero of the Russian revolution and a great man, i’ll argue yes

Unwitting?!?! He lead an opposition bloc that caused tremendous problems for the USSR and, though he got turned down, he enthusiastically tried to collaborate with the fucking HUAC just to have a platform to attack "Stalinism"

He wasn't great, he was a petty, petty man whose significance is wildly overblown by the tragicomic hagiographies by Orwell and the rest of the compatible left.

they are always just so irksome

i will hate trotsky till my dying breath man was a flip flopping little debate pervert whos best job was organizing an army and then ruined that achievement by trying to be a counterrevolutionary bastard.

lmao just sitting and waiting for them to say 'stalinism' 'state capitalism' and 'removedd workers state' thats all i need

edit: i said the 'degen-' word thats what was removed

hate the trotskyists not the trotsky (tm)

Yeah I get why the dude on a personal level was salty and wanted to craft an alternative to ML out of spite.

But as a functional form of leftism, the constant rolling revolution idea is so massively unworkable I don’t get why anyone takes it seriously after the fact.

Counterpoint: There are absolutely good trotskyist individuals and groups. Trotsky himself is a shithead and I will shake off the rust on the part of my brain with Trotsky Lore if I really need to.

ML and MLM have failures, but the 4th Internationale has them built in

"Maoist" is a label that has a wild level of variety in who signs on to it. Austin Red Guard, Black Hammer, Shining Path, etc. But there are also great Maoist groups, like those in India.

trot to neocon pipeline is a funny and strangely common occurrence

for example, Irving Kristol, Seymour Lipset, David Wurmser, and many other titans and founders of neo conservativism were former trotskyists

happened a lot last century with trots who went to the US and their whole deal was hating the USSR. in that context it kinda makes sense I think with the kind of friends they might make there.

Trots tend towards western chauvinism because they believe socialism can only emerge at the most developed nexuses of capitalism, i.e. Europe and North America

This leads straight to a horrifically mistaken belief that if these "developed nexuses" spread their control over the whole globe then socialism will emerge globally too....somehow

This leaves them wide open to white supremacist narratives and co-option by every elite western institution in existence

Yeah, please, give me your fucking newspaper in 2024 re-litigating shit from over 80 years ago and telling me about how all nominally socialist states are deg*nerated workers states. I'm begging you, tell me Ukraine is resisting imperialism, I'm almost there!

That's Kautskyites you're thinking of

It applies to MLs too, and the non-Shining Path Maoists