Why are people arguing sentience and not the fact that this is another attempt to completely remove a sector of the workforce the way Covid was the conduit to remove a complete sector of the outside world? This shit is valued at nearly 200 billion dollars
Because too many people, including self-described leftists, believe in the marketing bullshit that called it "AI" to begin with, which has been a staggering triumph... of marketing bullshit.
I don't want to wander into the weeds with the kind of people that have a "just one more burnt forest bro, just one more dried up lake bro, a sufficiently large dataset will make that one le epic scene in Blade Runner 2049 come true" but it's hard not to when they tend to
at the same time with smug misanthropic put-downs about us emotional fearful Luddite meat computers and all that.Yes, the important part is that this latest means of production is so far a highly wasteful solution in search of a problem... though it did find one problem of the bourgeoisie that it can potentially solve: removing workers entirely from the equation wherever it's crammed in, no matter how sloppy, unreliable, or even hazardous the results.
Contempt for workers, and people in general, is the point. And it's fucking exhausting when the old horse of "what if the treat printer wakes up and is a cyberspace waifu that loves me unconditionally" gets trotted out... which is intentional marketing bullshit by the hype pushers.
I can't think of anyone ever giving a shit about whether ai is sentient here, it's always about the pollution and exploitation of workers/artists.
It comes up sometimes. But ultimately those who are concerned with AI sentience and rights only care if they look humanoid. If a roomba went on strike you’d punt that shit across the room, or just factory reset it
If a roomba went on strike you’d punt that shit across the room, or just factory reset it
Exocomps, at least as presented and expressed in the fiction, are comrades and should they ever become real, they would deserve rights and recognition.
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LLM treat printers are not and never will be fucking Exocomps, however, no matter how big and wasteful their databases might become or how convincingly they can be prompted to say "I LOVE YOU SENPAI" to credulous techbros.
The frustrating thing is, if we bounded the problem correctly as "Techbro wants a catgirl sexbot" we could probably just build the freaking catgirl sexbot for the price of a Corolla and be done with. For the job it has to do, a 486 and some sound clips from anime DVDs could provide sufficient "personality".
I wonder how much of the quest for The Singularity is that they can't just ask for that, and instead have to chase something that would, if it delivered on the promises, reshape the entire world, and incidentally also produces the catgirl sexbot.
Of course part of it was that they can leverage the capitalist urge to displace labour as a source of endless funding and status to chase this vision.
If the market wasn't in an arms race fueled by a bubble and multidimensional greed, I think there's probably a modest market for a real "treat printer." Small scale tools that do some things people enjoy about AI products, but likely far more efficient since they can be scoped to actual needs rather than open ended future "I can't believe it's not general AI" use cases. A script that generates a new wallpaper each time you log in, randomized bedtime stories or skeletal TTRPG quests, or an endless melody for background noise. I'm sure you can do all those things without a data centre the size of Nunavut.
A script that generates ... skeletal TTRPG quests
I've seen people try to do these. It's really bad at it, and I'm not sure how it's worth it when I can buy an excellent adventure off of Drive-Thru for like 5 bucks.
Even if you are okay stealing from artists, you could just pirate the same books and have access to more great modules than you'd ever have time to run, so I just don't see this as a viable use case at all.
It's just not cut out for anything that actually requires creativity.
I agree with your take; all of that is possible. I'm not sure if the average techbro would be satisfied with anything short of godlike powers and infinite imitation affection from their all-powerful mommy bangmaid helpmeets, however, because of the "leaky bucket" issue they already have. I don't think any single feeemale, no matter how subservient or tireless, could really satisfy the impossible standards and expectations that the toxic side of the anime fandom places upon feeemales to begin with, and then that's multiplied by "singularity" fever dreams.
She deserves rights (like a fair trial and not-excessive punishment for crimes) and recognition... as a manipulative and selfish biiiiiiiitch.
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I wish it stuck there but not always. It isn't just lemmyverse bazingas, either. It's kind of saddening that a few older accounts here sometimes do the same. Not naming names; if they come, I'll point at them.
I think you may have the wrong hexbear. Most discussions about llms here are how much they suck and or the awful problems they're going to cause when"ai" code turns out to have non-human readable bugs that no one can figure out.
dude when AI art entered public awareness, there were exhausting struggle sessions on this for months, people saying over and over again "but I suffer from anphatasia! it helps me!", no matter how many times you told them these models are trained on stolen work. I got called very nasty things on here no matter how detailed my replies were. Fuck, It got so bad that one of the largest private trackers for CG content literally banned sharing AI tuts and softs because people shitted up the listings lmao. It was fine when LLMs were relatively niche back in 2020/2021, but the AI boom made it insufferable.
Yea, the AI backlash is a very recent phenomenon here. This site is not beating the tech bro, tech gal, and tech enby allegations.
Another favorite pro AI retort was materialism cannot oppose technological progress as if boiling every lake on the planet for fancy auto complete was a requirement for technological progress.
I've had recent unsolicited and undesired "the treat printers are already approaching human sapience and are only getting better, just build a larger database bro why are you emotional and afraid bro" exchanges with not-naming-names here recently. They may even show up in this thread soon.
We don’t appreciate the disrespect you’ve shown towards Roko’s basilisk
I wouldn't mind that bazinga proselytizing as much if it was just lemmyverse techbros or brave new alt accounts, but when it comes from old and established Hexbear posters... saddens me to see someone that claims to be ostensibly leftist but has a big glaring blind spot that buys into this particular capitalist bullshit for whatever reason.
They may even show up in this thread soon.
I'm right here bro, you can't tell me my LLM isn't sentient when the evidence is clearly there
(Although it's an interesting tangent that we're actually talking about machine sapience - the experiential and emotional dimensions of sensation is just taken for granted as something that comes with human intelligence, even though our wetware is similar to all the other animals)
There are a few much, much worse waifu-seekers out there that mostly focus on insulting biological intelligence (or naysayers in general because they have decades of scifi cliches to fall back on to call people "afraid" and "emotional") because it's a shortcut to making the treat printers sound closer to ascendance. You didn't do that at least, so hooray.
the experiential and emotional dimensions of sensation is just taken for granted as something that comes with human intelligence, even though our wetware is similar to all the other animals)
We just had a micro-struggle session about whether trees think and I declared that consciousness is a decision made by an observer rather than a quality of the subject, thus FINALLY shutting the book on that fucking argument for all time in all possible futures.
(trees do think they just think real slow).
Nah bro it might be the tankie in me, but I’ve seen some bazinga posting that our beautiful mods might wanna give a second look
I would like to reiterate, then, that per Marx the official party line on AI is "Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of a human mind"
We do not have a :bigworm: emoji.
I quit discussing it when i got called an ableist and/or a luddite for saying AI art is derivative bullshit and theft. Those people will recognise themselves, and yes, I sill despise you. I dont have the appetite for struggle sessions so I usually disengage immediately.
called an ableist and/or a luddite for saying AI art is derivative bullshit and theft.
It’s really funny when people get upset when you don’t consider them an artist when using AI generated stuff. They’ll get indignant and scoff at requiring art to have “soul” and human effort. But why is that so bad? It’s okay. You don’t need to be an artist. You don’t have the skills or drive for it, and that’s fine. Most of us won’t ever be this or that. Generate an AI painting and have fun, and let the artists go do their work.
i use AI trained on my own stuff, and then i heavily remix it, it has a use case but that requires producing actual stuff and knowing what to do with it, something tech bros struggle with.
I haven't seen anyone defending AI on here, but that should be a purgeable offense imo
The most salient argument against "AI" is that we just don't fucking need it. For anything. There is no reason it should exist. The ends 1,000,000% do NOT justify the means, and they never, ever will. That's all I have to say about this shit, and anyone who disagrees with this very basic premise is naive at best and should get out of the way. There are too many here like that, yes. You see assholes posting AI generated meme art here for the gags all the time and I want to scream. Unprincipled morons.
if you're rich, to just want less humans on earth because it means less chance of a supervirus pandemic murdering them. it's almost their only vulnerability to immortality.
Machines break down, machines clog up, machines can compound mechanical errors. The would-be god-kings may just choke to death on their own bazinga if they hid away and tried Ted Faro style bunker lifestyles.
All of these discussions lack specificity. "AI" isn't a monolith and means a ton of different things. Image classification and targeting uses ML and it is very helpful and is used widely. Some TTS and STT applications could be considered AI as they use ML models for continuous improvement. Translation services use ML. Exoplanet hunting uses ML models. Your email filtering uses ML. AI stuff is used everywhere in cybersecurity. "AI=LLM" is missing a ton of nuance and information.
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