Why are people arguing sentience and not the fact that this is another attempt to completely remove a sector of the workforce the way Covid was the conduit to remove a complete sector of the outside world? This shit is valued at nearly 200 billion dollars
I can't think of anyone ever giving a shit about whether ai is sentient here, it's always about the pollution and exploitation of workers/artists.
It comes up sometimes. But ultimately those who are concerned with AI sentience and rights only care if they look humanoid. If a roomba went on strike you’d punt that shit across the room, or just factory reset it
The frustrating thing is, if we bounded the problem correctly as "Techbro wants a catgirl sexbot" we could probably just build the freaking catgirl sexbot for the price of a Corolla and be done with. For the job it has to do, a 486 and some sound clips from anime DVDs could provide sufficient "personality".
I wonder how much of the quest for The Singularity is that they can't just ask for that, and instead have to chase something that would, if it delivered on the promises, reshape the entire world, and incidentally also produces the catgirl sexbot.
Of course part of it was that they can leverage the capitalist urge to displace labour as a source of endless funding and status to chase this vision.
If the market wasn't in an arms race fueled by a bubble and multidimensional greed, I think there's probably a modest market for a real "treat printer." Small scale tools that do some things people enjoy about AI products, but likely far more efficient since they can be scoped to actual needs rather than open ended future "I can't believe it's not general AI" use cases. A script that generates a new wallpaper each time you log in, randomized bedtime stories or skeletal TTRPG quests, or an endless melody for background noise. I'm sure you can do all those things without a data centre the size of Nunavut.
A script that generates ... skeletal TTRPG quests
I've seen people try to do these. It's really bad at it, and I'm not sure how it's worth it when I can buy an excellent adventure off of Drive-Thru for like 5 bucks.
Even if you are okay stealing from artists, you could just pirate the same books and have access to more great modules than you'd ever have time to run, so I just don't see this as a viable use case at all.
It's just not cut out for anything that actually requires creativity.
I think you may have the wrong hexbear. Most discussions about llms here are how much they suck and or the awful problems they're going to cause when"ai" code turns out to have non-human readable bugs that no one can figure out.
We don’t appreciate the disrespect you’ve shown towards Roko’s basilisk
They may even show up in this thread soon.
I'm right here bro, you can't tell me my LLM isn't sentient when the evidence is clearly there
(Although it's an interesting tangent that we're actually talking about machine sapience - the experiential and emotional dimensions of sensation is just taken for granted as something that comes with human intelligence, even though our wetware is similar to all the other animals)
the experiential and emotional dimensions of sensation is just taken for granted as something that comes with human intelligence, even though our wetware is similar to all the other animals)
We just had a micro-struggle session about whether trees think and I declared that consciousness is a decision made by an observer rather than a quality of the subject, thus FINALLY shutting the book on that fucking argument for all time in all possible futures.
(trees do think they just think real slow).
dude when AI art entered public awareness, there were exhausting struggle sessions on this for months, people saying over and over again "but I suffer from anphatasia! it helps me!", no matter how many times you told them these models are trained on stolen work. I got called very nasty things on here no matter how detailed my replies were. Fuck, It got so bad that one of the largest private trackers for CG content literally banned sharing AI tuts and softs because people shitted up the listings lmao. It was fine when LLMs were relatively niche back in 2020/2021, but the AI boom made it insufferable.
Nah bro it might be the tankie in me, but I’ve seen some bazinga posting that our beautiful mods might wanna give a second look
I would like to reiterate, then, that per Marx the official party line on AI is "Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of a human mind"
We do not have a :bigworm: emoji.
I quit discussing it when i got called an ableist and/or a luddite for saying AI art is derivative bullshit and theft. Those people will recognise themselves, and yes, I sill despise you. I dont have the appetite for struggle sessions so I usually disengage immediately.
called an ableist and/or a luddite for saying AI art is derivative bullshit and theft.
It’s really funny when people get upset when you don’t consider them an artist when using AI generated stuff. They’ll get indignant and scoff at requiring art to have “soul” and human effort. But why is that so bad? It’s okay. You don’t need to be an artist. You don’t have the skills or drive for it, and that’s fine. Most of us won’t ever be this or that. Generate an AI painting and have fun, and let the artists go do their work.
i use AI trained on my own stuff, and then i heavily remix it, it has a use case but that requires producing actual stuff and knowing what to do with it, something tech bros struggle with.
I haven't seen anyone defending AI on here, but that should be a purgeable offense imo
if you're rich, to just want less humans on earth because it means less chance of a supervirus pandemic murdering them. it's almost their only vulnerability to immortality.
The most salient argument against "AI" is that we just don't fucking need it. For anything. There is no reason it should exist. The ends 1,000,000% do NOT justify the means, and they never, ever will. That's all I have to say about this shit, and anyone who disagrees with this very basic premise is naive at best and should get out of the way. There are too many here like that, yes. You see assholes posting AI generated meme art here for the gags all the time and I want to scream. Unprincipled morons.
All of these discussions lack specificity. "AI" isn't a monolith and means a ton of different things. Image classification and targeting uses ML and it is very helpful and is used widely. Some TTS and STT applications could be considered AI as they use ML models for continuous improvement. Translation services use ML. Exoplanet hunting uses ML models. Your email filtering uses ML. AI stuff is used everywhere in cybersecurity. "AI=LLM" is missing a ton of nuance and information.
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