China was inventing paper, printing press, gunpowder, public exam system for government officials, straps that go across horse's chest instead of their neck so you can attach a plow without choking them (europe would literally never figure this out until cars were invented), systematized formal philosophy, etc. while Europe was fucking sheep and living in mud and grass huts and dumping their shit into the street and ransacking more civilized people like the romans and ottomans. europeans are so warlike and barbaric they could not even stop from pillaging and enslaving each other in viking raids. Europe was a primitive literally shit covered backwater until the industrial revolution made textile production less lucrative for the ottomans. the first european king charlemagne was an illiterate warlord who could not even spell his own name. europeans literally did not believe in washing their hands, that was 'moorish heathenry' not for christians. european royalty would use dogs to lick their hands after meals, peasants would simply go filthy. europeans would wear flowers to cover the smell of shit and sweat and piss. europeans thought of chastity as a virtue, and in some communities in europe it was considered improper for a woman to ever bathe, to preserve her 'chastity' and ensure she was never sexually attractive to men. european vikings would wash their face and blow their nose in the morning, in/into a single tub of water, passed around one after the other, in order of seniority, without changing the water, much to the chagrin of Islamic travellers chronicling their disgusting hygiene. europeans did not have divorce, in many cases of legal marital dispute the man and woman were forced into marital duels with both stitched into leather suits (bearing a cross so you know its holy) and the man waist-deep in a pit with a club, the woman free to move and armed with a stone wrapped in her wedding veil (see below).

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this family member is nothing short of an ignorant racist fool, a history channel watcher who, via dunning-kruger, thinks they are well informed and educated on history.

I would either be combative in that discussion and draw them out into untenable positions, e.g. asking them if they think that the advent of paper money or the invention of gunpowder or the printing press etc. were important to human civilisation before getting stuck into them about their ignorance or I'd just kill them with kindness and railroad the conversation into an opportunity to gush over Chinese history and overwhelm them with my passion and knowledge about the subject that it would leave their case for studying Margaret Thatcher instead looking rightfully threadbare by comparison. It would depend on my mood, how offensive they were being, and how important my relationship to them happens to be.

The alternative approach is to adopt the position that you do not need to justify yourself to anyone and replying with something like "Because I am interested in this" or "It's okay to let people enjoy what they enjoy" or even simply a "No thanks".

i can excuse the western chauvanism/rascism. But I draw the line at suggesting anyone study Margaret Thatcher

how European history is so much more interesting and tragic and worth analysing because everything is so complex in Europe compared to those "primitive cultures.

Thats just western chauvinism/ racism, you could mention how the east was more tech advanced than the west for centuries, or the islamic golden era, but i think their racial prejudice are just going to end in them going on a racist rant so i would just not talk to them

I wish I could tell you but I had a friend who really believed that "colonialism was about uplifting other cultures" and every conversation with her devolved into a fucking exhausting battle and I basically just gave up and haven't talked to to her in a year now.

Bruh even some chuds admire ancient China wtf is wrong with this person

That's fucked up and I'm sorry. Your thesis sounds much better than the same silly essay about Margaret Thatcher.

Well, everyone else has covered good serious answers so I'll give you less serious ones that would still be really fun to do. It is good and noble to antagonize your racist relatives. Also, "Shut the fuck up, you don't know jack shit and have lost your right to talk" is a fun thing to say to people, gets them really upset. Why should you treat someone spewing colonialist fascist propaganda with respect? Hurt their feelings. Make them ashamed.

1. That person's analysis is racist as hell, just call it what it is to their face.

2. It's also categorically false. By how our sick societies typically measure "civilization" (sidenote it's a pretty fucked up way that accepts colonialist industrialist racist assumptions as fact) China was far more civilized and advanced than Europe. China had vast empires while Europe was still in the so-called "Dark Ages". Not that Empire is good but you see my point.

3. Unrelated but have you read Iron Widow by Xiran Jay Zhao? It's at like the intersection of sci fi and fantasy and is directly inspired by Wu Zetian. I also think it's a book all leftists should love because it's very much a revolutionary story that rejects every bullshit defanging and subversion that Western revolutionary stories put in to sabotage revolution (For more on those sabotaging tropes: https://redsails.org/the-swerve). If you haven't read it I cannot recommend it enough. It's so damn good.

4. You can tell them you have a policy of not writing about people who are destined for Hell, like Margaret Thatcher.

5. You can tell them that you would rather write about someone cool like an empress rather than someone pathetic who only ever rose to the ranks of Prime Minister. If Margaret Thatcher had been half the woman with half the ambition of Empress Wu Zetian, she would have done a coup d'etat the queen of England, ripped the crown off her corpse, and reinstated absolute monarchy in England. Instead she meekly settled for Prime Minister. Pathetic.

6. I know I shouldn't recommend but reddit's /r/AskHistorians is full of threads about how Europe was this dark backwater with no civilization while all over the Middle East, Asia, Africa, and in the Americas, vast advanced civilizations fluorished and did great things. If you wanted to be petty you could look for those, compile the best examples, and send them to this family member, because they sound like they really need to learn that West is not best, it's the worst and is the latecomer to the stage of global civilizations.

7. You could tell them you think you'll get a better grade writing a respectful paper about what a bad bitch girlboss Wu Zetian was than if you write a long diatribe of an essay outlining every single way that Maggie Thatcher was a fetid steaming pile of shit.

Yes, it's very simple: call them out on their racism, then refuse to speak to them until they fix their shit. There are already people I can talk to who aren't absolutely cooked with racist brainworms and CIA propaganda, I sure as hell don't need to make special cutouts for people who share an extra percentage point of DNA.

Good luck with your thesis, the topic sounds really awesome. A lot of people in the west don't want to understand any history outside their colonialist propaganda. Being able to refute it to peoples faces is satisfying to either see them squirm faced with reality or for them to do their best mental gymnastics routine. Either way you come out better informed and you chipped away at their western ubermensch view of history.

I guess try to see if they're actually responsive to any counter-claims before you start getting harsh with them if you're gunna' try to argue with them.

They sound totally fucked though. I would probably tell them to shut up or avoid them entirely at this point. A lot of people are only going to listen to you if you have whatever social aspects they deem respectable. I don't have those so I'm coming at this from the epic trolls' perspective.

Bit idea: go talk to them like a month from now and say you followed their advice to research Thatcher. Once you have their attention, go into excessive details about atrocities committed by Thatcher against Ireland and conclude with how you're going to join the IRA.

Thank you hexbearians for all your replies and support. Ive read every comment and will respond when I have time but know that I appreciate y'all's take on this

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