Why do libs live in a perpetual fantasy where theyre targeted for voting for Hillary in 2016?

  • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    “We support progressives in red states.”

    Then how about you allow your in-demand cities to build more housing so us “dumb hicks” from red states can move into your fancy pants progressive cities? I’d love to live in NYC and be relatively confident I don’t run into a chud.

    • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 months ago

      Sorry, they're too busy gentrifying everywhere between NYC and Albany so the whole state becomes as unaffordable as the city and increasing the police budget

    • regul [any]
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      2 months ago

      Is this a yimby take on Hexbear? Are the tides finally shifting?

      • spectre [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        The "yimby" take is not mutually exclusive with he socialist take on housing

        • regul [any]
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          2 months ago

          I agree but I still get yelled at for it a lot in leftist spaces.

          • Vernon_Tennessee [null/void, he/him]
            hexagon
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            2 months ago

            In what spaces do you get yelled at for this take? Like I understand that NYC and LA both have a big influx of wealthy transplants who move here to "make it" or whatever and just suck up all the resources, pour all their money into chic businesses but thats not the same as building housing for poor people that need it.

            • regul [any]
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              2 months ago

              On here and in the FB group NUMTOT. Lots of folks have the take that any and all for-profit housing is to be opposed.

              The general arguments that are made are:

              1. For profit housing takes a lot that could be used for public housing

              2. New housing typically targets the top of the market and entices high-earners who speed up displacement

              3. The idea that new condos are bought primarily to sit as empty investments in expensive areas

              I don't agree with all or parts of most of these.

              • Vernon_Tennessee [null/void, he/him]
                hexagon
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                2 months ago

                If capitalism is forced upon us, then the option that saves the most lives is going to be the right one until the transition to socialism is made.

            • Nakoichi [they/them]
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              2 months ago

              Probably because of the misunderstanding that we dont need more housing and not to just expropriate what already exists and also just turn office towers into high density housing.

              • spectre [he/him]
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                2 months ago

                It's thrown around a lot, but it comes off more uninformed than the outright liberal YIMBYs imo.

                The things also is that liberal YIMBYs are generally all in favor of a steep vacancy tax which would directly impact this issue. This isn't a particular point of division between the two groups I don't think.

                The main split has more to do with the role social housing would play in the future (near and distant).

          • spectre [he/him]
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            2 months ago

            I see, to me it's like getting yelled at for being pro "single payer" in the US cause it's too liberal.

      • june [she/her]
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        2 months ago

        Well they didn't say anything about deregulation so idk. It is a short-sighted take in regards to the housing/housless crisis already effecting locals in those urban centers.