It reminds me of the fucking moron of a professor who made us write code on paper and would then fucking detract points because you forgot, like, one semicolon, or forgot to close a parenthesis like it ever fucking matters in real life.
I was under the impression that that shit mattered a whole hell of a lot in real life, you’d get compiler errors out the ass and spend hours of your life trying to debug something that’s just a missing semicolon buried who knows where in several thousand lines of code.
If you miss a parenthesis the lint is gonna tell you "bruh, you messed up" and then you're gonna fix it. Even if you're a boomer who uses notepad or some shit 90% of the time if the issue is just a missing semicolon it will be pretty clear what the issue is or at least where it is (after all compilers often tell you what line shat the bed). And my school is fucking Applied Math and Physics, not even coding.
Online tests are fine, just have it be open book or something.
In virtually any upper level class, there's absolutely no point in demanding rote memorization from your students, it's about combining complex underlying techniques to solve problems.
well right, i think the problem lies in that a lot of test and assessment manufacturers want to have some sort of panopticon anti-cheating system
that or they are designed in a way that penalizes students for having crappy internet/not being able to afford good internet (and public broadband is outlawed in many states thanks to Comcast's lobbyists) and sets restrictive time limits on the tests that will time them out if they take too long to upload their responses (this happened to my AP Physics students last spring, also no refunds for AP despite required early registration in pre-covid November)
anyway, you're completely right about complex techniques with problem solving, that's why I just make all of my assignments homework that the students can complete on their own time and discuss together in remote classes/discord.
See I think that's where the difference lies between a test of value vs just normal homework. I think you need to be assessed independently of your peers, with online testing it can be difficult to make sure no one is communicating with each other.
Problems with the delivery of online education is very real, but there's not much that can be done about that. Even with decent internet I've had it to out on me at critical moments like during a job interview quiz or somethingm
No you're definitely right, it's just very difficult to implement something like that when you can't just look over a room and keep an eye on all them in real time. Solving the problem with software doesn't really cut it, probably better to remove stressors that would lead to someone cheat (like open book tests as you said) or allowing cheating but asking questions that can't just be looked up
this is why i am against giving my students online tests, especially during covid, quality control is impossible and enforcing it is oppression.
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It reminds me of the fucking moron of a professor who made us write code on paper and would then fucking detract points because you forgot, like, one semicolon, or forgot to close a parenthesis like it ever fucking matters in real life.
I was under the impression that that shit mattered a whole hell of a lot in real life, you’d get compiler errors out the ass and spend hours of your life trying to debug something that’s just a missing semicolon buried who knows where in several thousand lines of code.
If you miss a parenthesis the lint is gonna tell you "bruh, you messed up" and then you're gonna fix it. Even if you're a boomer who uses notepad or some shit 90% of the time if the issue is just a missing semicolon it will be pretty clear what the issue is or at least where it is (after all compilers often tell you what line shat the bed). And my school is fucking Applied Math and Physics, not even coding.
Any coding program is going to easily highlight it with like a color code or indicator
Eh linters are pretty good these days so thats not really an issue so much as a stale meme.
who tf uses linters, Win3.11 NOTEPAD.EXE or gtfo
real anprim coding hours
ed is the standard editor smh
I said anprim not anbased
Online tests are fine, just have it be open book or something.
In virtually any upper level class, there's absolutely no point in demanding rote memorization from your students, it's about combining complex underlying techniques to solve problems.
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well right, i think the problem lies in that a lot of test and assessment manufacturers want to have some sort of panopticon anti-cheating system
that or they are designed in a way that penalizes students for having crappy internet/not being able to afford good internet (and public broadband is outlawed in many states thanks to Comcast's lobbyists) and sets restrictive time limits on the tests that will time them out if they take too long to upload their responses (this happened to my AP Physics students last spring, also no refunds for AP despite required early registration in pre-covid November)
anyway, you're completely right about complex techniques with problem solving, that's why I just make all of my assignments homework that the students can complete on their own time and discuss together in remote classes/discord.
See I think that's where the difference lies between a test of value vs just normal homework. I think you need to be assessed independently of your peers, with online testing it can be difficult to make sure no one is communicating with each other.
Problems with the delivery of online education is very real, but there's not much that can be done about that. Even with decent internet I've had it to out on me at critical moments like during a job interview quiz or somethingm
No you're definitely right, it's just very difficult to implement something like that when you can't just look over a room and keep an eye on all them in real time. Solving the problem with software doesn't really cut it, probably better to remove stressors that would lead to someone cheat (like open book tests as you said) or allowing cheating but asking questions that can't just be looked up