I don't know why I'm surprised they don't but I really expected that maybe this time they would care even a tiny bit.

Like they kinda sorta cared a little bit about healthcare for a minute and that blew over, and then they kinda sorta cared about minority rights for longer than I expected so that was cool but these issues are actually kind of historically complex and difficult to solve so I wasn't too surprised when libs just... fucking forgot. Climate change, me too, student loan debt...all sorta kinda complex in certain ways.

But genocide is so simple. It's probably the least complicated issue that libs have ever had to confront. Bombs go out children go boom it cannot be less complicated.

And yet here we are with libs across America hand wringing about how well it's maybe not genocide and maybe it's somehow complicated and maybe we should talk about it after we defeat Trump who we're SURE will do this complicated thing we can't quite understand worse somehow.

I guess if genocide staring libs in the actual face isn't enough to get them to care a tiny itty bitty bit about maybe trying to do something good for once...is there anything that possibly could? I can't imagine much worse of a thing than literal genocide. Maybe libs are just wholly incapable of using their brains or their hearts in any capacity at all.

And if that's the case is there any hope at all? I know there is but man this moment watching this election and everyone cheering wholeheartedly for as much genocide as they possibly can might be one of the most hopeless I've ever felt

  • SerLava [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Blue maga party loyalists are gleefully defending genocide, but regular people, generic liberal apolitical randos, actually genuinely believe Biden is trying. They genuinely believe Harris is trying. The entire news media is complicit in a really shocking level of disinformation that they have committed before but don't really commit often. They reserve it for situations like this.

    Normal people will find out soon how bad the lies have been, and how bad Biden is. This will have an effect on a pretty substantial number of people.

    • Ivysaur [she/her]
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      2 months ago

      Normal people will find out soon how bad the lies have been, and how bad Biden is. This will have an effect on a pretty substantial number of people.

      Genuine question, what do you think the result of this will be? Because my outlook is not optimistic, to say the least. “Normal” people are simply libs waiting to be scratched, here.

      • MattsAlt [comrade/them]
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        2 months ago

        Even if they did have a face turn moment, they'd great man theory it away saying it was an unprecedented bad actor combination of Bibi and Biden that made it possible and that's the most optimistic outcome. When the full toll of this slaughter is documented a mere jingling of the keys will be sufficient in making these "normal people" forget about the hundreds of thousands killed and maimed

      • HamManBad [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Especially since "normal" people can't distinguish between the Democratic party and the left, so their disillusionment will mostly just push them toward the right. We're in dark times here, without a truly leftist org to crystalize discontent, we're on a one way street to fascism. Even then, Americans are too undisciplined to actually commit to revolution. We will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century

        • Ivysaur [she/her]
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          2 months ago

          Yes, I don't think it's doomer at all to have been flung out of a catapult and seeing where you're headed. I do not look forward to the next decade.

        • anarcho_blinkenist [none/use name]
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          2 months ago

          there are multiple socialist and communist organizations building mass-movements with intent to form revolutionary parties (one of whom is even running a presidential campaign and has gotten major ballot access and news reports to open peoples eyes to it lest we forget), and many leftist gun clubs. quit the insular panic mongering and erasure of your comrades with this "without a truly leftist org" rhetoric (when there are numerous), which helps no one but the fascists, and join an org.

          Everyone born in the USA unless they were raised in red diapers by their parents started as and will always start as liberals by default. The only way to show "normal" people (I'd advise against this terminology, none of us are special 'great men' ourselves, and the "normal" masses make history) that there is a distinguishment to be made is to be present and show them ourselves, and not fulfill the fears we're inventing for ourselves by staying in this insular denial of our reality and responsibility.

          • HamManBad [he/him]
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            2 months ago

            I know there's a lot of good work being done by comrades across the country, which will qualitatively transform into revolutionary party at some point in the future. It will take a lot of work, and I don't mean to project the idea that it is hopeless, but until that future time when there is a visible tent pole for socialism in the US, the vast majority of discontent will be funneled toward fascism. It is highly likely that we will be building socialism on the ashes of a defeated fascist American state and we shouldn't sugar coat that reality

    • SadArtemis [she/her]
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      2 months ago

      but regular people, generic liberal apolitical randos, actually genuinely believe Biden is trying. They genuinely believe Harris is trying

      If they do- I mean honestly, there's that saying, "too dumb to live..."

      Hell, this isn't even the first (or second, or third) genocide the west has inflicted onto the Islamic world in the last decade, just the most explicit and total in its eradication. Western alleged ignorance (as someone living in and raised in the west) strikes me as exactly akin to, say, Nazi German citizenry's ignorance, if not perhaps/probably even more blatant.

      It's a professed ignorance and "innocence," sure. But it's the kind that requires an immense and hateful (subconscious, if we're being optimistic) bias, as well as the mental equivalent of plugging their ears and covering their eyes to ignore reality.