Struggle session engage. Post your pathetic arguments so that I and the other China Good Posters can dismantle them and you can learn.

Key points:

  • China is a democracy. It is arguably the most functional and responsive democracy in a major country today. Its citizens consider it more democratic than the citizens of almost any other country do their own.

  • China is on a clear path to socialism and economic justice. No nation in history has ever reduced poverty in anything like the way China is doing it.

  • The vast majority of people in the PRC support the CPC. This is not due to being brainwashed. Americans are brainwashed and still hate their government.

  • Almost everything you hear about China in the West sits on a spectrum between malicious misrepresentation to outright fabrication with no basis in reality.

  • China's ascension to the premiere global power is an extremely good thing for world peace and the global socialist movement. While China does not actively support other socialisms (sadly it's not as good as the USSR in this regard) it does not do imperialism. China will allow socialisms around the world to flourish simply by not actively crushing them like the US and Europe.

  • cum_drinker69 [any]
    6·
    4 years ago

    Counterpoint: "good" and "bad" are childish liberal concepts that materialists shouldn't be using.

    • skollontai [any]
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      4 years ago

      So much this. It's not even very useful to make more specific generalizations like "China is democratic" (or not). These struggle sessions should focus on specific policies of the countries involved, anything else is unmoored from proveable, materialist debate. And also, unlikely to change any minds.

      Socialism is not an aesthetic, a country, or even an ideology. It's a goal, and actions either move us towards it or they don't based on quantifiable material outcomes.

      • cum_drinker69 [any]
        5·
        4 years ago

        Doesn't mean I'm wrong. This isn't a comic book movie.

          • cum_drinker69 [any]
            3·
            4 years ago

            Economic systems don't have any moral content to them dummy, that's my entire point.

            Especially in the context of historical materialism, the outcomes are entirely predecated on contexts in which they are pursued. The outcomes related to socialism are for the betterment of humanity and a more livable natural world, that's why we should pursue it. But that's all in the present context. 700 years in the past living under feudalism, the context might be that building industrial capacity under capitalism would be better for humanity. Or 700 years in some glorious future there's the possibility that socialism is a reactionary position to stop the final implementation of communism.

            • blobjim [he/him]
              3·
              4 years ago

              Okay but I don't know of any bad socialists. Saying that nothing is good or bad just sounds galaxy-brain ("childish liberal concept"). I'd say Hitler and the CIA are bad, the Soviet Union and Fidel Castro are good. And also, China Good. I agree with the Chinese government more than I disagree with them. They are creating progress in the world, not preventing it like the United States.

              • cum_drinker69 [any]
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                4 years ago

                I agree with the Chinese government more than I disagree with them.

                But that's not a moral argument. By that logic any neoliberal can just plug "America" in there and make the same contentless argument.