How about all three at once? Most people can at least connect the dots and recognize (it's basically universal knowledge for all but the willfully ignorant bootlickers) that the US is behind the origins of both al-Qaeda and ISIS, as the ones who funded, armed, and created the conditions from which they could exist.
Anyone with a decent understanding of the region will also understand that the US (and before them, the Brits) made a policy of supporting the most extreme sect (Wahhabism) in the Arabian peninsula, and has a long history of toppling secular governments and leaders in the Islamic world (even democratically elected non-socialist ones), and they used these Islamist tendencies to counteract socialist and pan-Arab movements.
To build further though, ISIS and al-Qaeda are not so different from, say, the cartels, mafias, bratvas, triads, and other organized crime (or insurgencies)- both in how they operate (besides a particular focus on terror), and in their deeply intertwined history with the US and western alphabet agencies. They provide a service to the empire- regional destabilization, and in certain areas like Syria and Iraq, also oil- and what the west supplies in exchange, apart for financing and support for these crime warlords- is to further escalate tensions and encircle their nations to destroy legitimate governments- it is a mutually beneficial relationship, as both compliment each other greatly- they feed off of each other's destabilization.
I've never believed they were anything but tools of the empire that the empire reins in from time to time if they go al little too far
Right, but surely they aren't doing it because they love the empire like the little NAFO dweebs you see online.
So the empire must either:
I want to know which so people I try to convince don't roll their eyes when I say al-Qaeda and ISIS are western puppet orgs.
How about all three at once? Most people can at least connect the dots and recognize (it's basically universal knowledge for all but the willfully ignorant bootlickers) that the US is behind the origins of both al-Qaeda and ISIS, as the ones who funded, armed, and created the conditions from which they could exist.
Anyone with a decent understanding of the region will also understand that the US (and before them, the Brits) made a policy of supporting the most extreme sect (Wahhabism) in the Arabian peninsula, and has a long history of toppling secular governments and leaders in the Islamic world (even democratically elected non-socialist ones), and they used these Islamist tendencies to counteract socialist and pan-Arab movements.
To build further though, ISIS and al-Qaeda are not so different from, say, the cartels, mafias, bratvas, triads, and other organized crime (or insurgencies)- both in how they operate (besides a particular focus on terror), and in their deeply intertwined history with the US and western alphabet agencies. They provide a service to the empire- regional destabilization, and in certain areas like Syria and Iraq, also oil- and what the west supplies in exchange, apart for financing and support for these crime warlords- is to further escalate tensions and encircle their nations to destroy legitimate governments- it is a mutually beneficial relationship, as both compliment each other greatly- they feed off of each other's destabilization.