Let's set aside the popular argument that Israel has our complete and utter support and is actually doing what we want it to--**I accept that this is the most reasonable and likely explanation, but I want to ask about other possibilities. **

Does Israel have doomsday bombs planted all over the world or something? Because seeing US Officials saying "we hate that they're doing this, we've asked them not to, but there's nothing we can do" is so obviously inadequate and non-real, that you can really only assume that they either a.) wholly support all of the actions and are in fact directing them or b.) they know that apocalypse looms if they don't appease, like hostages. Basically US officials look like servants to Israel, with the speed and totality to which they supply aid and grant cover for what are obviously "beyond the pale" actions by our client state.

Again, I suppose option a. is the most likely. But I can't quite square their willingness to accept so much utter humiliation in order to see their "secret" desires met--they're pushing a misguided and likely to fail NeoCon foreign policy wet dream, and those same wild neocons would be constitutionally unable to accept public performances of weakness--the entire ideology is about performative strength.

I suppose option c. is that they know the world is fucked, billions are gonna perish one way or another in the next couple decades, and so why not funnel huge profits to defense contractors while they can so they can feather their bunkers properly.

I Don't know, there's just such a great deal of hyper-reality going around, I can't properly analyze anything easily anymore. Anyone even mildly paying attention can see that you could easily put Israel in line by pausing or significantly limiting arms and aid money--they cannot bomb anything if they don't have bombs, and aside from spyware and doing sloppy Nazi impressions in media, that appears to be all they're very good at, at this point.

I know US Officials don't care about dead Muslims or brown people, especially so if they're on the other side of the world, but they do care about humiliation. All of those stupid elites do, it's practically all they care about, since they already have virtually unlimited money and power as a class--we're constantly hearing how they hate that people don't like them, or think they're weird. They do stupid non-rational shit all the time to combat this. They want their cake and they want to eat it too.

Where does absolute support for Israel end, policy wise for the US. Is there really no red line?

  • immuredanchorite [he/him, any]
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    14 hours ago

    There are multiple levels to US support for Israel which can give the appearance of Israel “pulling the strings” when in reality it is a beneficial arrangement that is propped up by the US regime.

    From a geopolitical standpoint, Israel is an essential component to the US unipolar order. Israel’s six-day war victory was a huge boon to the US, allowing the US to vicariously dominate western asia while it was overextended in Vietnam. This turned the tide against a socialist-oriented pan-arab movement. Israel saw a jr partnership to the US as a beneficial long-term arrangement, but for many years played both sides of the cold war up to that point. Israel’s importance to the US became dire after the Iranian revolution, which between the Shah’s Iran and Israel had encircled western asia more or less by US proxies. All of this control is essential for the US petro-dollar system, the system that forces the world to trade in dollar and therefore allows the US to essentially print a near-infinite amount of its fiat money without much concern for the integrity of its currency.

    On the other hand, the US political system is a bourgeois republic that uses political elites, beholden to factions of the capitalist class and their monetary support, in order to legitimate its power. So each politician appears to be working under this or that party/principle/idea, but in reality it is a system that leverages individual (politicians) interest in order to align with ruling-class interests. The reason AIPAC and the Israel lobby appears to control politicians is because they have been given loopholes and exception to the point where it has been a defacto unspoken rule to support israel. the power AIPAC has over politicians is a representation of the power of the ruling class with its full weight behind this particular policy. Just like the interests of banking/finance or the MIC are unassailable to a large degree, they just call those things “bipartisan”.

    Guess what I am saying is that despite whatever things they say in order to make whatever it is palatable, the US fully supports whatever the fuck Israel is doing. There is no secret or magic device making politicians bend to their will

    • hotspur [he/him]
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      13 hours ago

      yeah I think I follow. So basically Israel is just viewed as such a crucial and intrinsic part of US strategy/power projection/dominance in ME, that it's simply not even thinkable to conceive for most of the system to be in conflict with it, even when it continues to veer into deeper and deeper levels of genocide and impunity. And perhaps the bureaucratic and temporal nature of administrations and US officials (moving in and out of office, new staffs, etc) allows for the humiliation to be less damaging than it would to a more directly strongman/authoritarian system, like say Putin and Russian Federation?